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Barry Rietz
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 Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 10:06 pm Post subject: Navajo Nation Notice |
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The Navajo Nation has suffered with a high percentage of COVID-19 cases, especially in and around the Page and Four Corners region. Anyone contemplating a Lake Powell adventure should take precautions!
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| Posted: Mon May 04, 2020 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Most if not all of the First Nations in Canada are under severe travel restrictions. So if your plans for future travel take you near their lands on the west coast or other regions make sure that you check with the nation first. Some of the nations have become militant about keeping outsiders away. Remember they suffered from foreign viruses in their recent history that deviated their populations, so they have even more reason to keep us white folk away.
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 2:36 am Post subject: |
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deviated == decimated (maybe a spell correction thing)
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| The Makah Reservation at the westerly NW tip of Washington State is totally closed to outsiders. (there is also a northerly NW tip) They are 90 minutes by road from the nearest hospital certified to treat seriously ill persons. Thus far they have avoided the current epidemic (and oral history still is current on past centuries epidemics). It is a favorite place for us to spend a few days, we go every several years. Tourism and fishing tourism is an important part of their economy, but they are taking the hit to preserve lives. |
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Out of the 2000 miles of shoreline at Lake Powell and maybe 200 miles of that touches the Reservation I have never seen a Navaho on the shoreline since I have been going there since the late 60's. With the exceptions of rangers. i think it would be pretty easy to distance yourself from everyone at the lake. Just need to use some common sense around the launch ramps and marinas.
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| Posted: Tue May 05, 2020 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| hardee wrote: | deviated == decimated (maybe a spell correction thing)
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Or maybe devastated.
Nitpick/peeve:
Decimation's original meaning was the Roman Legion's brutal punishment of killing one of every ten soldiers. It's often misused these days to suggest devastation far exceeding ten percent - which was the case when Europeans brought diseases like smallpox to natives in the New World.
Sorry - I took four years of Latin in high school, so heard a lot about the Roman Legions.
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Richard, you are right on both counts, (way more than decimated) and "maybe devastated" is more accurate too, as I'm sure they were.
I had a hard time just with English 'cause I went to school in Canada in my formative years.
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From the Albuquerque KOAT Chn 7 News:
https://www.koat.com/article/gallup-is-on-lockdown/32346323
The order closing Gallup (hiway travel both North/South NM-602, and East/West I-40, has been extended fro Monday to through Thursday.
| Quote: | "GALLUP, N.M. —
UPDATE: On Monday the governor extended the emergency order through noon on Thursday, May 7." |
"The lockdown will order all roads into Gallup be closed, businesses in the city will close from 5 p.m. to 8 a.m. each day and vehicles can have a maximum of two individuals. Residents are ordered to remain in their homes except for emergency outings for essential healthy, safety and welfare."
“The spread of this virus in McKinley County is frightful,” said Gov. Lujan Grisham, “and it shows that physical distancing has not occurred and is not occurring. The virus is running amok there. It must be stopped and stricter measures are necessary. A problem in one part of our state, with a virus this dangerous and this contagious, is a problem for our entire state. The imperative for all of us to remain home and physically distant has not changed. It is even more crucial for New Mexicans in the northwestern region. But what is happening in the northwest could happen in any part of our state. We must remain vigilant.”
As of Thursday, McKinley County had 1,027 reported cases of COVID-19. That is more than 30% of the state's total positive cases.
Travel is a sure way for the virus to spread. Seems to me like life and health need to take precedence over comfort and economy. { But that is just my personal opinion}
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| NewMoon wrote: | | ...It's often misused these days .... |
It's pretty much ALWAYS misused these days. However, language is a flexible thing and perhaps since the Romans are not around anymore, the definition has drifted. |
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| ssobol wrote: | | NewMoon wrote: | | ...It's often misused these days .... |
It's pretty much ALWAYS misused these days. However, language is a flexible thing and perhaps since the Romans are not around anymore, the definition has drifted. |
and foundered LOL |
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| NewMoon wrote: | | Decimation's original meaning was the Roman Legion's brutal punishment of killing one of every ten soldiers. |
I ran into this historical fact when studying Roman history. I found it fascinating in terms of a technique to impose will on a fighting force (not that I condone it).
The Roman general's objective was not just to kill 1 in 10 for punishment, the real power came from how they did it. Soldiers in a Roman legion knew that if one of their units showed cowardice in battle, 1/10 of that unit's men, chosen by lot, would be executed. The effect of this policy was not so much punishment of the offending unit, but as a deterrent across the entire legion in future battles. Just imagine the pressure each soldier must have placed on his comrades knowing that if one of their number failed, 1 in 10, chosen in a random fashion, would later be executed without regard to who was at fault.
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| smckean (Tosca) wrote: | | NewMoon wrote: | | Decimation's original meaning was the Roman Legion's brutal punishment of killing one of every ten soldiers. |
I ran into this historical fact when studying Roman history. I found it fascinating in terms of a technique to impose will on a fighting force (not that I condone it).
The Roman general's objective was not just to kill 1 in 10 for punishment, the real power came from how they did it. Soldiers in a Roman legion knew that if one of their units showed cowardice in battle, 1/10 of that unit's men, chosen by lot, would be executed. The effect of this policy was not so much punishment of the offending unit, but as a deterrent across the entire legion in future battles. Just imagine the pressure each soldier must have placed on his comrades knowing that if one of their number failed, 1 in 10, chosen in a random fashion, would later be executed without regard to who was at fault. |
So now, would we like to look at "peer pressure". Decimation a real definition for that term.
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