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C-Green
Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 310 City/Region: Houghton
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Green
Photos: C-Green
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Rob wrote:
Quote: | I would assume that as long as the pee stream is good passages are not blocked. |
The problem is you need to start the engine to have a pee stream. If the channels are blocked by ice by the time you determine you don't have a stream it may be too late to prevent a damaged impellor.
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Micahbigsur@msn.com
Joined: 27 May 2019 Posts: 484 City/Region: Big Sur
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sierra
Photos: Sierra
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Wow this is crazy, California definitely has its downsides but I can't imagine how much more work you guys have in the cold.
Colby: that picture says it all, I assume that you have work obligations that keep you up north, Mexico is full of cruisers from snow country "snowbirds" in the winter.
I am a bit surprised at the lack of interest on our offer to facilitate some buddy boats on a trip down the Sea of Cortez on their C-dorys. We have explored the are many times on other boats and despite the negative coverage, Mexico in Baja is as safe as anywhere else, and warm but not hot in winter and a great C-dory cruising area like the PNW. Thousands of fishermen trail their boats down every year.
Anyway if the Creeks don't rise I will put up some pictures of blue sky, white beach, clear water island anchorages for you all to keep you warm! _________________ Micah Curtis and Dana, RN
2003 C-dory 25 Sierra, 200, 9.9 and 2.5 Suzukis
2012 R25 SC Sequoia (2015-2018)
1978 Folkes 38 SV Audacious (2006-2015)
Micah, KJ6GUF, Dana, KJ6GXG |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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My brother has begun doing this yearly. He joins a large group of blow-boaters called "The Baja Ha Ha"... He jumps on friend's boats. I told him it sounds terrible. But he is retired and single, with no commitments anywhere. _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
Wife to her husband pointing @ us...from the bow of their 50-footer; Prideaux Haven 2013 |
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Micahbigsur@msn.com
Joined: 27 May 2019 Posts: 484 City/Region: Big Sur
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sierra
Photos: Sierra
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Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Dana's daughter has done the Baja Ha Ha several times once on her own boat, they set up some great beach parties on the way down, usually almost 200 boats every year, a great number from the PNW. They head out this week and the weather looks great down to Cabo. When we first sailed down we went by ourselves a month later and were chased south by the first winter systems. |
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SnowTexan
Joined: 08 Aug 2019 Posts: 185 City/Region: Carlton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Maria
Photos: Miss Maria
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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Localboy, I used to live in Machias and regularly drove by the Pilchuck yacht club 😂. Is it still there? Will definitely put an oil space heater on board, cover the cockpit, and will keep an eye on things closely if the weather turns. The Sheriff keeps a boat next to where I am currently moored, and they leave their outboards down and the boat ready to roll all winter (Aluminum hull with “Alaskan” bulkhead and twin behemoth motors). |
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South of Heaven
Joined: 15 Aug 2015 Posts: 1459 City/Region: Sharon
State or Province: MA
Photos: Blue Water
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Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Micah: Ignorance is bliss! I can't stand the snow and cold. Lol _________________ <><><> Jason <><><>
2005 Silverton 35 Motoryacht (Twin 385 Crusaders) (SOLD 6/20)
2000 Camano 31 Troll (Volvo TAMD41p) (SOLD 2/19)
2007 C Dory 25' Cruiser (200 hp Suzuki, sold 7/17)
2003 C Dory 19' Angler (80 hp Yamaha, sold 7/16)
1995 C Dory 16' Angler (40 hp Yamaha, sold 2/16) |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
Photos: 'AU KAI
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:32 am Post subject: |
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South of Heaven wrote: | I can't stand the snow and cold. Lol |
Me either...less than three years now, and we are outta here! |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
Photos: 'AU KAI
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1518 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:44 am Post subject: |
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It does get cold here and, after our fresh water thickens, it freezes.
Over the years, here in Michigan I have witnessed boats wintering in their slips
listing badly from uneven accumulation of snow and ice, poor element coverage
resulting in torn plastic and canvas, unattended bilge pumps sputtering, heavily
laden vessels with their waterlines submerged and boats sunk in their slip.
Somehow, some do OK.
I have to believe, as bad as salt is for boats in salt water, freezing fresh water,
snow and ice for a boat over the winter like hereabouts is worse. Salt water
prepping for use is rather straight forward. Prepping for winter storage in fresh
water is not. Especially for first timers. Chances are, the first time, maybe more,
you'll miss something crucial and suffer consequences.
What does your insurance company say about this?
The above plus more severe weather patterns and required, or advised, diligence
make the idea revolting for someone who professes to care about their boat.
Aye. _________________ "I don't want any cake" - said no one ever.
If someone tells you they don't eat cake, unfriend them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life. |
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SnowTexan
Joined: 08 Aug 2019 Posts: 185 City/Region: Carlton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Maria
Photos: Miss Maria
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I hear you on the necessary diligence and higher risk vs salt water running, and have not made my decision yet on wether to stay in the slip past November. I am leaning towards risking it but it may come down to My personal schedule. I want to run up lake with my snowshoes and ice axe and approach some higher elevations from a rarely seen route in winter, but if that longer trip is not doable this year then it’s likely not worth wintering over on the water past November. Sunny days with the kids would be nice but they probably would rather stay in the valley and sled! As far as my insurance is concerned, I carry it only out of necessity of living in a world of lawyers and litigation. If my boat sinks due to my own negligence I only hope that nobody was hurt and the exploit was Legendary. I keep my tools in a bucket, my boots in a pile, and my vehicles look rode hard and put away wet. Others may lose sleep over this sort of treatment of things, but there are no museum pieces in my life. If the tool is not up to the task, then so be it. But if it is, I am interested in how to keep it functioning optimally in the harshest conditions. A bit of torn canvas tarp and plastic is certainly no deterrent. A frozen block or cracks at a through hull fitting are another story. Sinking in a marina or destroying a motor is not the desired outcome but I am of an entirely different disposition regarding what is revolting in this world. Some wear and tear might mean somebody had some fun, saw something unique, went somewhere difficult, had an adventure worth having. And if they didn’t and their boat looks like hell, well then it was theirs to destroy I suppose. Just trying to avoid destroying mine but squeeze the most out of this short life. |
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JamesTXSD
Joined: 01 Mar 2005 Posts: 7444 City/Region: from island boy to desert dweller
State or Province: AZ
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: "Wild Blue" (sold 9/14)
Photos: Wild Blue
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, your boat and you get to make the decisions. The down-side I see isn't lack of preparation on your part, but Mother Nature's potential harshness. As I recall, Washington State had a colder and wetter winter than usual last year.
At our home in the Tropical Tip of Texas, October was nearly 10º warmer than "usual"... except for the 3 northers that blew in already. We typically don't see those until late November/early December.
Seems that much of the country is experiencing regular non-typical (is that an oxymoron?) weather. An extended period of cold and snow can be an issue for the boat if you aren't right there to keep an eye on it.
Good luck with the decisions. |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1518 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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I understand loving the North - not so much about owning a boat that's
considered a throwaway, tho' some may consider the CD 22 'one of those'.
Taking on a challenge is also understandable, maybe even enviable. There
is such a thing as being too cavalier, vacuous or maverick that can result in
one "going' South" while doing' your thang in the North.
Aye.
Grandpa, an old Navy man, used to say, "The sea simply waits for the innocent
and actually stalks the foolish, the unprepared and the arrogant." |
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SnowTexan
Joined: 08 Aug 2019 Posts: 185 City/Region: Carlton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Maria
Photos: Miss Maria
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I take it by some of the responses here that the idea of leaving a boat in the water in winter is similar to tossing a stick of dynamite in the bilge and driving away. If I felt my boat was a throwaway, certainly I would just blow it up in the driveway and save myself the mooring fees. I am not, however, in the throwaway boat tax bracket and I assure you your warnings are appreciated. I know they come from witnessing first-hand the result of poor planning and harsh conditions. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12632 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Doing your research, homework, and preperation are part of the boating experience. Tapping the resource here is part of that, and there is a plethora of intelligent experience here with experience in all ranges of temperature and weather conditions from across the continent.
It looks like you are doing your share of the research and homework, and the preperation. Being able to monitor the vessel and conditions could bring some piece of mind. Having a good (boat) neighbor will be helpful. Pushing the envelope intelligently in order to have some unique boating experience is admirable. All the best. Go forward in steps. Enjoy.
Harvey
SleepyC _________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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SnowTexan
Joined: 08 Aug 2019 Posts: 185 City/Region: Carlton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Miss Maria
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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https://kozi.com/boat-sinks-to-the-bottom-of-lake-chelan/
I’m just gonna park this here humbly and not over-comment; thereby jinxing myself. We’re still floating and enjoying snowy rides around the lower half of the lake. I will attempt to find out who owns this boat and see where exactly the failure occurred. We have had temps down to 4f and snow loads between 9-12 inches. canvas tarp over the cockpit on a pvc frame, rv antifreeze in the bilge, motors down, oil filled radiant electric heater in the cabin and a fan circulating from the berth. So far the interior is bone dry and the Honda 40’s fire up on queue.
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