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thataway



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Engel" which came with my current 25, is virtually identical to two "Norcold's" which lasted about 12 years each in use. Both used the swing motor, rather than the Danfoss compressor. The Engel which I replaced this year with a Norcold (using the Danfoss compressor), had failure of its 12 volt power supply. The swing motor runs on AC at a low voltage, between 22 and 27 volts (depends on model). The 12 volt power supply is a 12 volt inverter, which puts out 22 volts AC. It is "not repairable". It is possible that the power supply could be taken apart and flailed components replaced.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can these units freeze water? If so, any idea of the power draw while doing so?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they will freeze anything you put in there. We keep the ARB freezer at 6*. The top temp is from 18* to 26* depending on how hot the sun is (we put a rug over the top. The current draw is about the same as refrigerator--depending on the unit and size, ambient temp--from 2.5 to 5 amps an hour. This last trip our two units were using about 80 amps in 24 hours. Temp was in the 90's most days, and down to the mid 70's at night. You would use less in the PNW.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Dr Bob!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have had our Engel 35 and 45 run for 5 months of the year for 6 years each and the 04 Engel is still going strong. They will definitely freeze water as we always use our smaller one as a freezer. Now with the smaller boat we had to buy a smaller one to use as our freezer we have the built in Isotherm fridge to do our fridge dutys.
We always ran the Engels plus everything else on the boat continuously for days on end on our sailboat with a net of about 250 watts of solar panels. In Mexico Engels are famous for their long term reliability and economy compared to side door Danfoss compressor fridges. Of all our systems that we used for years including our Furuno electronics our Engels always impressed me the most.
Other fridges may use the very efficient swing compressor but only Engels are Engels.
(Obviously I am a big fan!)

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

after much deliberation, research and reading of all the comments on this forum I think I have decided to order the Engel SR48-U1 fridge freezer. It seems the best compromise for my purpose:
-It has the swing motor
-it's rated at 0.5/2.7 amps (110/12V)
it's a built-in with side opening door.
-it'll make ice cubes for G&Ts
-its only $720 from Engel and comes with free shipping!
it should fit nicely in the cubby under the helm seat (15.12" W x 17.67" D x 20.39" H)
I'm a little worried about the depth because I measured the lowest and smallest depth (lower bow side of the cubby at only 16")
I'll measure again tomorrow.

(does anyone know why I can't upload an image directly into the body of this response?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sebastien, I only saw your post as it came up I my posts from last visit box, hopefully my response will put it up for you.
Sounds like a great fridge choice and as we have a small Engle for a freezer I know what a great luxury ice cubes can be in the middle of nowhere + frozen meat.
I hope your extended cruise will work out fantastically for you!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The depth may not be as "bad" as you think. The refrigerator has a 45* angle for the evaporator coils on what will be the forward side outboard. (This does give an unusual shape to the interior, but may give the needed room outboard.

You can alway make trim to go around the refer if it does not set back far enough. Teak, or painted wood wood would both work.

Be sure that there is enough room around the back for free flow of air, or put in a small computer fan, with a "snap disc" or thermostat to help in heat transfer.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pics of that unit look identical to our 2006, factory installed, Norcold. Question
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes Engel front loading fridges (there are only three almost identical models) look just like a slightly older model Norcold with venting above the door.
The Engel has the Swing compressor and the Norcold has the danfoss I believe.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I'm assuming "Swing" and "Danfoss" are brands?

I'll look into this more if/when our current refer kicks it, assuming we keep the boat that long.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swing refers to a different more efficient type of compressor, Danfoss is I believe a brand of compressor that is a very small version of the of the common household fridge compressors.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting series of videos of comparison of Sno-Master, ARB, Engel and Waeco fridge/freezers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1sRObjh-s The gist of it for about a 40 litre fridge they will use about 30 amp hours in 24hrs if you don't open them much.

Summary of the results is here. https://expeditionextreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ExpeditionExtreme_FridgeTest2019.pdf

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mahalo everyone! You guys rock.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just ordered the ENGEL SR48F-U1 FRIDGE/FREEZER
straight from ENGEL for $710 down from $720..
(no shipping or tax and in 20 seconds I found a coupon code for $10 off to boot)

now to research (read that mostly copy from Sierra) setting up a 100 watt solar system)

I don't have a radar arch but will brainstorm attaching something to the rear of the hand rails to suspend it above / independent from the bimini OR brainstorm how to attach it to the bimini but with an air gap as per Thataways repeated warnings re. this...
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