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Pearl
Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 14 City/Region: Riverdale
State or Province: ND
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Prop'r Cson
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:49 pm Post subject: Bilge Pump Replacement Dilema - 2001 22 Cruiser |
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I am working on my father-in-law's recently purchased 2001 22 cruiser. I have tested the Rule 1100 Platinum bilge pump and it does not pump water automatically. I would like to know what is the best replacement bilge pump? Thank you |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Is there power at the pump?
I used Rule and Johnson _________________ Brent Barrett |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20808 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I believe that the 'Platinum" series are discontinued. The automatic 1100 Rule, uses a water sensing technology, rather than a float switch. This tends to give a fairly high "parasitic" drain on the battery. It is not unusual for that switch to fail.
The auto or float switch is the weakest link in any automatic bilge pump.
There are a number of after market bilge pump switches. Water Witch, Johnson Pump Ultima, Ultra Safety systems and Sure Ball. All of these have good reviews.
Here is a Practical Sailer article on bilge pumps.
Here is another one which goes more into the switches.
I have two bilge pumps, in the cockpit area--one is the standard auto type, and the second has an alarm, along with a higher capacity--it is mounted 4" higher up in the boat.
The float switches tend to jam, or break down. But on many occasions the loss of function, is due to corroded leads to the pump. Be sure and use proper marine crimps, using a ratcheting crimper, and the fitting has adhesive shrink wrap as part of the insulation. I also put a second piece of adhesive shrink wrap over the connection (butt connection, from 12 V positive, and ground (12 volt neg.). The ground is often overlooked, but it is just as important as the positive lead. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
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Micahbigsur@msn.com
Joined: 27 May 2019 Posts: 484 City/Region: Big Sur
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sierra
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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I am using a Water Witch on one of my Rules, so far it is great, not mechanically switched, since they outlawed mercury switches the mechanical switches have been less reliable and they can be fouled by debris. I do have one on my forward pump that is easy to check. I subscribe to Practical Sailor Mag. no advertising and they have great testing articles, worth the money for all the good info, a lot of it relevant to our boats.
Hope this helps. _________________ Micah Curtis and Dana, RN
2003 C-dory 25 Sierra, 200, 9.9 and 2.5 Suzukis
2012 R25 SC Sequoia (2015-2018)
1978 Folkes 38 SV Audacious (2006-2015)
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Pearl
Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 14 City/Region: Riverdale
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Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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BrentB wrote: | Is there power at the pump?
I used Rule and Johnson |
Yes there is power at the pump. When I turn the bilge power on the pump runs for two seconds and then shuts off. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20808 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pearl wrote: | BrentB wrote: | Is there power at the pump?
I used Rule and Johnson |
Yes there is power at the pump. When I turn the bilge power on the pump runs for two seconds and then shuts off. |
That sounds like what the sensor does--is it possible that the pump is only wired to the "on/off" switch on the console? (and not directly to battery). Some bilge pumps are also wired-one way on the switch is automatically, the other is manual. You may want to take the volt meter and see what is going on with the switch--and if it has two positions, or is only wired to be automatic. |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
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Pearl
Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 14 City/Region: Riverdale
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Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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The switch is the factory bilge pump switch and I will definitely check the wiring. There was 3" of water in the bilge when the pump would only run for a second at a time, if that makes a difference.
I recently sold my Ranger Tug 21-EC and am in love with my father-in-laws 22 cruiser. Looks like I am hooked on the C-Dory line of boats. |
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Micahbigsur@msn.com
Joined: 27 May 2019 Posts: 484 City/Region: Big Sur
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:58 am Post subject: |
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We just sold our Ranger Tug R25 SC and bought our new to us CD25, lighter, simpler with less maintenance.
We have had a lot fun working on it to get it dialed into cruising shape.
Great to see you enjoying the C-Dory's. |
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R407c
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Posts: 20 City/Region: Milwaukee
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 1997
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Pearl,
A plugged discharge hose can also cause this rule pump to only activate for a few seconds and then stop as the pump motor dose not see the amp load when the water is just spinning in the impeller vs being pumped through it. I would disconnect hose from pump and blow through it to make sure it is not plugged. Spiders and bees have a habit of building nests in the line and plugging them.
Mike _________________ Mike Moser |
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Pearl
Joined: 05 Nov 2016 Posts: 14 City/Region: Riverdale
State or Province: ND
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Mike,
I did check the hose for blockage and the hose was clear of debris. I did order a new Rule 27SA Automatic bilge pump. I now will use some de-bonder spray to free up the strainer. Thanks
Eric _________________ Eric & Bernie
2010 Ranger Tug 21EC - Sold
2007 C-Dory 25 Cruiser
Home Port: Pick City, ND |
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
State or Province: IN
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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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I would replace it, too. If wiring and connections are good, a new one would go in and checked often after install |
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