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frogman
Joined: 05 Jun 2019
Posts: 14
City/Region: Forks
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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 Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject: Balsa core hull repairs |
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Hi everyone, I'm new to the site and looking to purchase my first C-dory. I just found out through a surveyor that the 1993 22' cruiser I was going to buy has hull delamination and moisture forward of the bulkhead towards bow. The boat otherwise is immaculate with only 450 hours on it. The owner was as surprised as I was from the findings.
I've only owned Aluminum boats and know little about fiberglass, balsa core, gelcoat. I really like the boat aside from this issue. My questions are, how difficult and costly is this type of repair? Should I keep keep looking or is this common in these boats?
Thanks in advance for you advice/answers. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 20803
City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Frist, welcome aboard. I had a 93 22 and it was a great boat.
What does the surveyor have as objective evidence that there is " | Quote: | | hull delamination and moisture forward of the bulkhead towards bow. |
The reason I question this, is that I believe that the hull is solid glass from the V Berth area forward. That is no core. There may be water under the platform for the portipotty, and could be moisture in the foam under the V. Berth.
Sources of moisture in this area is often from the brass strip, screws being too deep holes--and not sealed, anchor locker drain or anchor locker floor not walled off from area under V berth. Sometimes water intrusion can occur from the rub rail leaking. There can be leaks around the forward hatch, or the bow railing bedding.
If the moisture would be back of the V Berth bulkhead (which is non structural), it would have to be from screws into the core--in the floor of the boat. Normally these are just around these areas.
I would try and get more specific information from the surveyor--and let him know that there is a void under the platform, where water may be--but should not cause delmaination. Water under the portipotty platform is easily accessed by putting an access port in the floor of this area--and pumping it out--then finding where it came from.
The more common delimitation is around the fasteners for the fuel tank cleats or or hold down brackets. Occasionally bilge pumps, or other accessories screwed into the floor, and not bedded into epoxy and sealed properly
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Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
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RobLL
Joined: 05 Aug 2014
Posts: 421
City/Region: Bremerton
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You will probably get better answers than this, but a man working in one of the big shops at the Everett marina has repaired hull delamination and was very easy to talk to. This was about 5 years ago, but I imagine any knowledgeable person at the marina would now who he was/is. |
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frogman
Joined: 05 Jun 2019
Posts: 14
City/Region: Forks
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:31 pm Post subject: Balsa core hull repairs |
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Thanks for the input. I won't get the report until Sunday evening. As per our phone conversation, the surveyor thought the intrusion may have come from the chain locker, because he saw no hull damage or repairs. When I get the report I will try and post it or reenter the findings.
I wasn't present for the inspection, and didn't ask what he used to determine the moisture and delamination. The boat was stored high and dry indoors and I know he was able to look the entire hull over prior to dropping it in the water. |
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pcg
Joined: 31 Aug 2018
Posts: 405
City/Region: Sherwood
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Quest
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Balsa core hull repairs |
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| frogman wrote: | | I just found out through a surveyor that the 1993 22' cruiser I was going to buy has hull delamination and moisture forward of the bulkhead towards bow. |
What Thataway said. My '99 has solid fiberglass hull from bulkhead forward. I did find moisture when I removed the foam under the Vberth and still not sure what caused it. IMO this is not a major problem, certainly not as serious as moisture in balsa core, and may be more common than most people realize.
I'll be sealing the keel area and the anchor locker before the boat goes back in the water. With the flotation foam removed, not only do you have more storage space, but you also have easy visual access to the interior of the hull as well, which I like.
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frogman
Joined: 05 Jun 2019
Posts: 14
City/Region: Forks
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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| Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:27 pm Post subject: Balsa core hull repairs |
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Great feedback Paul. Do you have any pictures of that modification?
Rob |
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pcg
Joined: 31 Aug 2018
Posts: 405
City/Region: Sherwood
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Quest
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
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Nice to see this project again. Last time I missed the addition of the LED lights in the V-birth storage. Another great touch.
Harvey
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012
Posts: 3370
City/Region: SW Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: SoBELLE
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frogman
Joined: 05 Jun 2019
Posts: 14
City/Region: Forks
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
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| Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:54 pm Post subject: 1993 22’ cruiser |
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I just bought the boat. Thanks for the advice and links on how to deal with water under the v- berth. The input I received here helped me make my decision.
Rob |
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WeekiTiki
Joined: 12 Jun 2019
Posts: 412
City/Region: Weeki Wachee
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Just Cruisin'
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| Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool! This place is a wealth of knowledge |
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