HP ratings

pcg · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:04 pm Post subject: HP ratings

I have two questions regarding HP rating for a 22’ Cruiser. My ’99 has a decal stating that recommended HP is 70 and max HP is 100. The factory website states that [max] HP is 115.

1) What are the criteria for determining what is “recommended”? Why not recommend 100HP instead of 70HP?

2) Why is a ’99 22’ Cruiser rated max 100 HP, and the newer boats rated 115 HP?

DavidM · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:33 pm Post subject:

1. So the dealer can offer the cheaper "recommended" engine as the base.

2.Maybe changes in methodology or criteria for determining max hp.

David

pcg · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:46 pm Post subject:

ssobol · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:22 pm Post subject:

Sea Wolf · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:02 pm Post subject:

Earlier, over the years, some have asked about some of these questions.

I seem to remember that the older Classic 22 was designed for a 70 hp 2-stroke motor that typically weighed about 260 lbs.

The more recent (1987-present) CD-22 Cruiser was allowed 100 hp, and most of them left dealerships with 90 hp 4-stroke Hondas that weighed about 100 lbs more than the 2-stroke 70s.

Later the max hp rating was raised to 115 by the manufacturer, I think, utilizing newer rating standards by ABYC manufacturers group.

I also remember some C-Dory owner asking for and receiving a new rating sticker from the factory. (Smart move!)

Writing this from a somewhat nebulous memory bank at 77, so no guarantees of absolute fact, but done in good faith, anyway! Laughing

Joe.

thataway · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:26 pm Post subject:

I suppose that an insurance company might refuse a claim, if a larger motor was used--but pretty unlikely. I put a 225 on a Grady White rated for 200 hp--asked the insurance company--and told that there was no issue.

There as been on discernible changes on the 22's as far as lamination schedule, when the increased HP was tagged. I would not hesitate to put on a 100 or 115, as long as it weighed the same. But going to a 150--that could be questionable.

pcg · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:32 pm Post subject:

Hunkydory · Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:48 pm Post subject:

Presently, I’m waiting for a price quote & ok from factory for EQ Marine to sell & rig twin Tohatsu 60’s. Their total weight of 434 lbs is only 6 lbs more than my present twin Honda 1999 40’s at 428 lbs. This new MFS Tohatsu 60 hp is new for 2019 & I think could possible be the perfect twin set set up for a CD22. Properly propped this may allow a CD22 to plane on one of its twins if needed. On Yellowstone Lake at near 8000 feet elevation my present twin 40 Honda’s only put out 61 hp & with a medium load, I can do 19 mph & be in specs on max rpm.

My concerns are the price increase & fuel economy compared to my other choices of either the Honda or Tohatsu 40 & 50 hp motors. I will also be getting price quotes from Sportscraft Marine in Portland & a local Honda dealer in Salt Lake City.

On a side note about EQ Marine. When at the Friday Harbor Gathering, I was told Karl their long time mechanic & rigger was retiring. Kathy informed me, this was not so & if I purchased from them, the motors would be rigged by him, as he had no plans of retiring at this time or the known future. She was rather horrified that that rumor was going round & I told Her I would inform the C-Brats of this.

Jay

DayBreak · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:51 am Post subject:

Jay, I hope you get the approval for the new Tohatsu 60 hp twin engines. You will have more power, more speed and less engine strain at a comfortable cruising rpm of 3500 to 3700 rpm and should have less engine noise. The engine has Lean Burn Control and you should also notice an increase in fuel economy.

If you use Sportcraft Marina in Portland, Oregon, they will do a great job for you as they have always done for us and others.

Gary and Colleen.

MikeR · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:42 am Post subject:

jennykatz · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:27 am Post subject: Hp rating

We have a cape cruiser venture 23 It is hull number 3 It has a Coast Guard sticker of 120 hp. (I did not want to go over 120hp)The newer CC Ventures had a 150 Hp rating My boat came with a 115 Yamaha a great engine BTW When we were hearing EPA might require catalytic converters for new outboards I decided to buy a new engine I went with a Mercury CT 115 What an awesome motor around the dock or close quarters it has a lot more torque also speed is about the same as Yamaha 115 it has the 150 hp Merc lower unit The only difference is top speed 35mph vs. 42 or so with a 150 Hp

So far we have 240 hours on a 3 year motor

jkidd · Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:46 am Post subject:

My 2007 I ask the factory to install a Suzuki 115 and they told me it was more weight then HP at the time the 90 and 115 were the same motor. They told me that any boat over 21 feet is not required to have a sticker and left mine off. Six months later the new stickers said 115 on them. I don't think they did anything just printed new stickers. So just peel the sticker off.

tsturm · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:11 am Post subject:

Jack in Alaska · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:16 am Post subject: ratings

My 1983 Angler Classic , bought new at the factory, came without a sticker. I installed a 115 hp Johnson and ran it for 15 years w/o any problems. After a few years I wondered about no sticker and the heavy motor so i wrote Marc Toland at the factory and he sen t me a new sticker with 115 hp max.
Problem solved.

Jack in Alaska

hardee · Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:31 am Post subject:

I kind of like the idea of twin 60's but why is no one considering Yamaha? I don't know about service for the other brands in Canada but i do know that way over half the OB's I see up there are Yamis, and that is not just on recreational boats, but the work boats, (water taxis and camp and lodge boats).

There has to be a good reason for that.

(Is it the weight factor, and that they are 50, 60 and 70 all on the same block and frame?

Harvey
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