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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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A lot of lead changes. Sailing anarchy says that there was a rudder failure on given' Horns. No suggestion why Pair Shaped Racing was going so slow. There have been tracker issues.
Good for Sail like a Girl--she was doing 10 knots a few minutes ago--far faster than any other boat at the time. But the multihulls can hit up to 30 knots--if the wind is right--which it looks as it it can be in the next day or so... _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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UPDATE @ 4:07 pm:
Angry Beaver is on Dock and 100% complete in Ketchikan!
Where's the live video coverage?
Wow! At just short of 4 pm PST Monday, Angry Beaver is 99% complete, and looks to be about only 7-10 miles short of the finish at Ketchikan. Sail Like and Girl and Shut Up and Drive are out in the Dixon Entrance in 2nd and 3rd place, respectively, at 86% and 87% complete. Angry Beaver was making 6.6 knots, so the first place finisher should arrive in Ketchikan within an hour or two, currents, wind, and luck, not withstanding. The other two will be battling it out for the 2nd place finisher's set of steak knives into the night!
Stay Tuned!
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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It is still possible that Pear Shaped Racing may be second--for the second year in a row...Their tracker is not working apparently--for over a day. |
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Sea Wolf
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | It is still possible that Pear Shaped Racing may be second--for the second year in a row...Their tracker is not working apparently--for over a day. |
Hey Bob- You're as knowledgeable as anyone around here about electronic tracking and emergency devices, so I'll ask you:
Lots of problems this year in the R2A with tracking devices.
Legitimate problems, or just stealth gamesmanship?
Dirty pool? What are the rules?
Does make it more difficult to follow the race for followers, IMHO.
Joe. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Joe, (and all)
My understanding is that the trackers they use have to be "reset" every 24 hours by the crew aboard. It is only speculation if the tacker failed, or if the crew had some role in the. non tracking. I would hope it was the former. There have been no "rules" other than pass thru the two gates, use of man or sail power, and be safe. No protests, or handicaps!!
There are a lot of relatively inexpensive trackers--such as Spot or Garmin/DeLorme Inreach. The fee to enter the race is $700, even if you don't finish the first part "proving ground". It might be better to require a working Spot or InReach. The cost would be $about $250 each...but that is a small amount considering the total cost of a campaign, even for a stand up paddle board or kayak. It is a piece of safety gear with many more uses. (Most have messaging which allows at least minimal communication.). The advantage of the system used, is that it automatically shows on a chart, had tracks, and other information, so less work for the promoters of the race...
It appears that Pear Shaped racing did come in second. Here is why they were delayed; The result of hitting four logs!
We don't know if there was water intrusion, or if they sailed with that Ama out of the water to prevent water intrusion. Also if there was other damage. Apparently Givin' The Horns hit some similar material which badly damaged the rudder.
This needs to be a lesson about the debris in the water in the inland passage. During our 5 trips, we hit several pieces of debris--all were in the Cal 46, which had at least a 1" laminate, and never had any hull damage, but these same logs (just under the surface) would have caused extensive damage in a lightly built boat or with appendages which were below the surface.
Also a small boat on auto pilot at high speed runs some risk of hitting one of these, unless spotted some time (If possible) ahead. |
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3595 City/Region: Valley Centre
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Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Read the resumes of the first four boats to finish. Those sailors are the best of the professionals, having sailed in a LOT of races, in a variety of boats.
If one thinks that you can just get a group together, find a boat and (just) do well in that race, it ain't true. Those a supremely good sailors in fast boats. Apparently there's a lot of skill there.
Boris |
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Sea Wolf
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Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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If you've been following the daily sailing report on Scuttlebutt, the North American sailboat racing newsletter for the past decade or four, you'll have noticed an increasing emphasis on professionalism in big and even some small boat racing from everything from the America's Cup and the Olympics and on down.
Paid drivers, tacticians, crew members, support crews, etc. Some racing series even have a global / world wide venue circuit. To win some of the big boat regattas one has to assemble a racing crew from professionals to be competitive.
Meanwhile, amateur / local origin racing regattas continue to decline both in numbers of events and competitors, and youth sailing has declined, too.
I don't like the trend, but the forces that be, seem to drive the boat, so to speak.
Joe. |
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thataway
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:01 am Post subject: |
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One of the beauties of the R2AK is that it is a different kind of "race"--no handicaps. The high end racing circuit utilized "professional" sailors even in the 70's. The crews on Windward Passage, and Kialoa ( II, III, & IV) which were professional sailors. It is just that there are more of the professionals now. it Youth sailing has certainly changed--not sure it has actually declined. But there are more organized programs than in the past, and more coaching--perhaps more intense. There are new boats designed as intermediate, either as step up from the Opti Prams or a more exciting boat for a learner.(For example RS Tera, Zest and Neo , Laser Pico or the Topper ) Then there are the windsurfers, and kite boarders--all under the aphesis of US Sailing. There do seem to be less young adults getting into racing.
Here is what it would look like under PHRF (a widely used time on distance handicap system in seconds per mile):
Team Boat Type Rating ToD Elapsed Corrected
Educated Guess Millennial Falcon MELG24-ODR 90 18.00 112.10 94.10
Angry Beaver Secret Squirrel SCHO40 9 1.80 99.93 98.13
Shut Up and Drive Envolee FIGR32-1 48 9.60 109.32 99.72
Trickster Trickster F28CCTRI 64 12.80 115.48 102.68
Sail Like a Girl Maks to the Moon MELG32-1 27 5.40 111.55 106.15
Pear Shaped Racing Dragon MULTI42 -42 -8.40 102.38 110.78
Narwhal Tatiana F32 -10 -2.00 115.98 117.98
(sorry the chart would not stay in columns).
The number in Italics is rating in seconds per mile. The bold is corrected elapsed time--the number before is the actual time to complete the course. When the handicap system was established, the best a theoretical fast boat could go was 0 seconds a mile...now some of the real speedsters rate as low as -168.
Also the R2AK is really a true "proving ground"--there is a lot of innovation--some works--and some doesn't. In any case it takes a lot of guts and hard work to compete, let alone to win! Hats off to all of the competitors. |
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thataway
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:01 am Post subject: |
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One of the beauties of the R2AK is that it is a different kind of "race"--no handicaps. The high end racing circuit utilized "professional" sailors even in the 70's. The crews on Windward Passage, and Kialoa ( II, III, & IV) which were professional sailors. It is just that there are more of the professionals now. it Youth sailing has certainly changed--not sure it has actually declined. But there are more organized programs than in the past, and more coaching--perhaps more intense. There are new boats designed as intermediate, either as step up from the Opti Prams or a more exciting boat for a learner.(For example RS Tera, Zest and Neo , Laser Pico or the Topper ) Then there are the windsurfers, and kite boarders--all under the aphesis of US Sailing. There do seem to be less young adults getting into racing.
Here is what it would look like under PHRF (a widely used time on distance handicap system in seconds per mile):
Team Boat Type Rating ToD Elapsed Corrected
Educated Guess Millennial Falcon MELG24-ODR 90 18.00 112.10 94.10
Angry Beaver Secret Squirrel SCHO40 9 1.80 99.93 98.13
Shut Up and Drive Envolee FIGR32-1 48 9.60 109.32 99.72
Trickster Trickster F28CCTRI 64 12.80 115.48 102.68
Sail Like a Girl Maks to the Moon MELG32-1 27 5.40 111.55 106.15
Pear Shaped Racing Dragon MULTI42 -42 -8.40 102.38 110.78
Narwhal Tatiana F32 -10 -2.00 115.98 117.98
(sorry the chart would not stay in columns).
The number in Italics is rating in seconds per mile. The bold is corrected elapsed time--the number before is the actual time to complete the course. When the handicap system was established, the best a theoretical fast boat could go was 0 seconds a mile...now some of the real speedsters rate as low as -168.
Also the R2AK is really a true "proving ground"--there is a lot of innovation--some works--and some doesn't. In any case it takes a lot of guts and hard work to compete, let alone to win! Hats off to all of the competitors. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12632 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:46 am Post subject: |
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The race is still on for a bunch of hardy, focused, can do people. It's the race to the finish that is the goal for most of the entrants, not the race to win. For the few, to win, but for most it is just to finish.
Most of the racers have plenty of experience, but there are some who are weeded out on the first leg, (Port Townsend to Victoria), which aside from the distance, is as chalenging as they will meet on the entire 710 miles to Ketchican. This year there were more overnighters on shore the first night than all previous races combined. One SUP I spent about 2 hours with, who intended to go all the way, nearly did not make it to Protection Island. In 12 hours of paddling he made about 18 miles. Poor choices:, equipment, tactitcal, and nutrional. At a couple of hundred feet from the island beach, but bucking the tide he decided to just sit down on his board and go wherever the tide took him. We encouraged him to expend more effert and get to that beach. Next morning he went with the tide, back to PT. Good choice.
Also, the trackers are SPOT, and are rented for the race. For an example of a good tracker system take a look at:
Osprey-alaska.org
To follow one of our C-Brats on an Alaska journey, using the Garmin InReach. And he has a great blog to follow there as well.
Harvey
SleepyC _________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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Ron on Meander
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes we might think that the inside passage is really no longer that big a deal to transit in small boats. However at least two of the R2AK participants are super glad to have had Spot Trackers and to have had fellow boaters and the CG to call upon!
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On Sunday evening, Team You Either Do Stuff or You Don’t was pulled from the water from nearby boaters following a capsize and a call for help in Johnstone Strait. The one crew member onboard was ok, and taken to a nearby resort.
At approximately 4:20 AM AKDT today, R2AK was notified that Team Holopuni had pressed their SOS button on their SPOT tracker. All three team members were picked up by the Canadian Coast Guard in Dixon Entrance and are safe ashore in Prince Rupert, BC. The team is okay and in good spirits thanks to rescue efforts. We’re sending warm wishes to Team Holopuni and gratitude for the US and Canadian rescue forces that intervened. |
https://r2ak.com/2019-daily-updates/2019-day-11-finishes-rescues-sidebets-explored/ |
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hardee
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Ron on Meander wrote: | Sometimes we might think that the inside passage is really no longer that big a deal to transit in small boats. However at least two of the R2AK participants are super glad to have had Spot Trackers and to have had fellow boaters and the CG to call upon!
Quote: | Rescues:
On Sunday evening, Team You Either Do Stuff or You Don’t was pulled from the water from nearby boaters following a capsize and a call for help in Johnstone Strait. The one crew member onboard was ok, and taken to a nearby resort.
At approximately 4:20 AM AKDT today, R2AK was notified that Team Holopuni had pressed their SOS button on their SPOT tracker. All three team members were picked up by the Canadian Coast Guard in Dixon Entrance and are safe ashore in Prince Rupert, BC. The team is okay and in good spirits thanks to rescue efforts. We’re sending warm wishes to Team Holopuni and gratitude for the US and Canadian rescue forces that intervened. |
https://r2ak.com/2019-daily-updates/2019-day-11-finishes-rescues-sidebets-explored/ |
I have recently been hearing about the "Inside Passage" as the "Hiway to Alaska". It is not a freeway with rest stops and a nice median divider. It is 710 miles of raw and ruthless saltchuck, subjects to the whims and wilds of Mother Nature. There are miles of open ocean, and hours of dark and dizzying monotony where you dare not, not pay attention to every detail. Ron, thanks for the new link. The race is still on, not to win, but to finish ... alive.
Harvey
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hardee
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RobLL
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Skipper of Sail Like a Girl spoke at a Bremerton lecture series this evening. She is pretty impressive - professional life and non-profit volunteer - as well as a sailor. Also a great presenter. |
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