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homerjack
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RobLL
Joined: 05 Aug 2014 Posts: 421 City/Region: Bremerton
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:23 am Post subject: |
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There is a possibility that the merchant ship was originally in an overtaking situation, and switched it to a crossing situation mid-maneuver. |
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BTDT
Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 322 City/Region: Grand Lake Oklahoma
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for sharing.
I personally find the starboard overtaking versus crossing situation to be confusing at times, especially at night. While 22.5 degrees may be a nice number, I find it difficult sometimes to tell ii a 'boat' in the 22.5 degree arc/region is crossing my bow or overtaking me. In my case I always give way because the ultimate rule is to avoid collision and my boat is very small in the scheme of things. When you start talking 2.5 miles to stop a ship, and you are trying to second guess what the other ship is going to do............well good luck. _________________ John & Vicki Clark
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Jake
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 171
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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So what is the proper response when a bass boat comes up your port side, accelerates and cuts across your bow giving everyone on board a cold shower from his spray? Oh yes, and he waved. |
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AstoriaDave
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 994 City/Region: Astoria
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Cannon salute ... delivered into his vanishing transom! _________________ Dave Kruger
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BTDT
Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 322 City/Region: Grand Lake Oklahoma
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Jake wrote: | So what is the proper response when a bass boat comes up your port side, accelerates and cuts across your bow giving everyone on board a cold shower from his spray? Oh yes, and he waved. |
Perhaps the absence of a gene pool lifeguard may address the problem. We recently had two bass boats ignore the rules of the road and take each other out. One of the survivors is still in intensive care. |
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thataway
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:23 pm Post subject: yes |
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One question I asked a retired Navy Captain, who was involved with ship maneuvers as a consultant, was about AIS. His response is that Navy Ships do not transmit AIS signals.
I asked if they had receives,--not yet a response.
The AIS track of merchant ship is very clear on captured satellite tracks--and seems to be consistent 18.5 knots and course 068 degrees, until point of impact. No change of course--except turn to Starboard after collision.
Question if merchant ship was passing--unknown. But one would expect the Navy ship to be faster-speed at impact not know.
What about physical watch? My friend tells me over a dozen watch standers would have been on duty at the time of impact--including radar officers and at least two officers on the bridge.
I have seen Navy ships run "Dark"--only masthead blue or red lights on--no red and green or white lights. So, warships can be the exception when on maneuvers...but in this area?
Lots of questions--not many answers. _________________ Bob Austin
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RobLL
Joined: 05 Aug 2014 Posts: 421 City/Region: Bremerton
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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While I was on destroyers there were always three outside watches. Port and Starboard, and one watching aft. These in addition to all the crew in the bridge. |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1518 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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This seems to be another case where a US vessel gets into trouble in non US
waters and the public hears nada. My money says the reason for no explanation
so far is that somehow the US ship was at fault.
Aye.
Grandma used to say, "If you know you are wrong and are caught, at first say
nothing." _________________ "I don't want any cake" - said no one ever.
If someone tells you they don't eat cake, unfriend them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life. |
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hardee
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I have seen US Navy ships running with AIS on in Juan de Fuca and down into Puget Sound. That said, I have also seen US navy ships in the same waters without AIS transponders putting out positions.
I have not figured out what (or who), makes the decision for ON or OFF.
On more than several occasions, I have seen the Submarine support/escort boats (usually 3, running at about 25 to 30 knots and fairly close together, maybe a hundred yards between them going by, and the lead will have an AIS transponder on, but the other 2 will not.
Harvey
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013 Posts: 1518 City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Grandma used to say, "It takes a clear mind to run in murkey waters."
Aye. |
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Pandion
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Foggy
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Yup.
Aye.
Grandma used to say, "Sometimes bad things happen to good people." |
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Jake
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 171
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:54 am Post subject: |
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You work for the Federal government, you don't even get fired, just reassigned. Sad |
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RobLL
Joined: 05 Aug 2014 Posts: 421 City/Region: Bremerton
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I finished reading the report. It is worth taking the time to do so. (I find a previous post offensive. I hope the poster withdraws it). The US Navy has a procedures to investigate, establish what happens, find mistakes, and fault, and court martial if appropriate.
The radio room was, as I read things, completely knocked out of commission. The destroyer division commander was advised of the collision thirty minutes after the collision and by personal cell phone.
As an aside, and related to that. Our new Washington State Ferry, the Chimacum has very limited cell phone service inside. I speculate that the windows have some sort of metallic coating that hinders radio signals. A crewman has mentions that this hinders important communications, even with provided hand held equipment.
My point in all of this is that cell phones may be more important for marine operations than we currently believe and are instructed.
disclosure: I served with destroyers during the Vietnam War, and was on the staff of destroyer division. |
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