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shloots



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great information for me to consider. I wasn't concerned about the fuel costs related to operating a deep v design as much as I am concerned with the purchase price of such a vessel. I have been impressed with the 28 foot Ellis models as well as the General Marine 26. There are several northeast design/lobster designs that look very nice and are general larger boats than is the C-dory 26 Venture. However, if the C-Dory design works for our area generally, it is a very attractive boat to own because of its trailerability and also the opportunity to store without the expense of a boat yard. Lots to consider, an your input is hugely appreciated!!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judy insisted on the C-Dory 25 because she liked the living arraignments. I liked the 25 because of the cruising capability. The weight was at the top of what could be easily trailered. It has handled stiff chop well, slowly. I would hope that the Venture 26 has those capabilities in more measure. We have enjoyed them for 12 years now.

The other boats shloots mentions certainly would be better for several reasons. They're heavier and have inboard motors, allowing them to power through the chop better, though not with more comfort. The living arraignments are different. They need a permit to be trailered, though many don't get one for 9 1/2 width. There are trade-offs there, depends on your projected use. And one might factor in the price.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One other boat you might consider is the Rosborough 246. The downiest style hulls (which the Rosborough is) do better into the chop--but not was well in beam seas or down wind/seas. You may want to subscribe to the Rosborough forum.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have looked at the Rosborough 246 quite extensively, and I agree, it's a great boat. However, my wife wants to have plenty of room in the back for chairs and sun. The Rosborough is not all that spacious in the stern. Very nice boat though!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at the Seasport 2600 Kenai or Kodiak, 8' or 10' rear deck. Or the 2800 series which is a huge hull, the freeboard is massive. In comparison to the Rosborough, "no comparison".
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shloots wrote:
my wife wants to have plenty of room in the back for chairs and sun. The Rosborough is not all that spacious in the stern.!


Rosborough can also be configured in the "Wheelhouse" style like this one - https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2001/rosborough-246rf-wheelhouse-3253418/?refSource=browse listing

Lots of room out back there! The roof extention covering the cockpit is also an option so it can be deleted for the sun lover.

Regards,

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched this boat on YW, and was wondering if they had a newer model that didn't have the big engine cover in the stern, which takes up a lot of room back there? I sound kind of picky don't I...Smile...sorry for that. This design would be perfect if that was the case. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shloots wrote:
a newer model that didn't have the big engine cover in the stern,


Outboards on a bracket or a full floatation hull extension seem to be the "default" power on all newer Rosboroughs. Some are still ordered with an I/O although that would probably be for the diesel option mostly. Some of the larger Rosboroughs have been configured with an inboard/rudder and larger keel. I have only seen 1 with an outboard/splashwell - which also takes away the cockpit space you are looking for.

There is a lot of good information here - http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=23027&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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Rob
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schloots,

Sorry I'm late joining in here. Screwing around takes time...

I owned a CD 26 Venture for about 3 years. I live in NW MI, went extensively
around on Lk MI, into the North Channel and Georgian Bay. Also trailered it to
the East Coast (Chesapeake Bay, Hilton Head area and south FL - Naples,
Marco Isl, 10K Islands) as well as into the panhandle of FL (Perdido Key,
Orange Bch area).

Longish story shortened: 1. it liked fresh water best, 2. sold it sooner that I
wanted as my Mate couldn't take pounding in over 2' head seas or the rolling
from freighters and larger recreational types, 3. the boat is good and can take
more than most of its occupant/owners can, 4. it needs more freeboard, 5. I
loved the twin Honda 90s. Oh, it needs front hatch canvas protection for night
rain/lights/etc as well as cockpit. If you email me, I'll show you what worked well
on the bow (can't figure how to post pics well here).

Generally, the Great Lakes are less predictable than the bays and more protected
waters I plied. This means "waiting for weather" which can spoil a brief allotted
voyage.

So, it all depends on your expectations and tolerances. I assume you, like me
going from sail to power, will have the biggest adjustment figuring out what
to do with all that time ashore once you arrive much earlier in the day than
you've been accustomed to.

Good shopping and Merry Christmas.

Aye.
PS: As stated earlier, look at the Rossy 246 and SeaSport models and
remember you get what you pay for (they say...).

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really want something that will not shy away from the 3 foot swells, or wind waves. Look no further than the Ocean Sport Roamer. It can be Inboard or outboard:
https://www.islandsmarinecenter.com/boats-for-sale/2019-ocean-sport-roamer-lopez-island-washington-6657911/

I keep hoping that if I put enough water onto (or under) my C-Dory it will grow up to be one of these.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:35 pm    Post subject: Big-ass boats for SE Alaska Reply with quote

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you really want something that will not shy away from the 3 foot swells, or wind waves. Look no further than the Ocean Sport Roamer.


Another option, BAMF boats, made in Sedro-Wooley. Expensive, but they use some Kevlar in the layup to try and keep the weight down a bit. Diesel main motor with an outboard for trolling. I've fished in charter boats in all kinds of weather east, west, Florida, Hawaii, elsewhere including when the crew and most of the "sports" were sick. I think this was a fine boat if your priority was fishing in most weather.

That said, I'm happy to slow down when the weather is bad in my own boat.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Nod...Hi...thanks for the post. I see you are out of Traverse City and have your boat listed, correct? It's one I have looked at recently if so. Cost and trailerability are the most attractive features I have seen with the Venture so far. However, we won't give up safety in the big waters for that, and we have had lots of big water out of Leland to Beaver Island and beyond as we sailed to the North Channel. I am not sure that that even the Venture is as big a boat as I would feel comfortable with. Sounds like you used it quite extensively on those same waters. There have been a few older and larger boats that are competitive price-wise with a newer C-dory Venture. Your thoughts are appreciated, especially in operating a Venture in the waves you have experienced moving from NW MI to the North Channel and back again. Thank you for the feedback.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thataway wrote:
The ride in any of the monohull C Dory's depend on the operator's skills in handling the boat. This includes having the trim tabs and Permatrim foil, to get the bow down--and use that part of the boat to "cut" thru the chop. Having owned a 22 without either trim tabs and the foil--and a 25 with only tabs, then adding the foil--The ride in steep short chop--which is what we experience on the bay where I live, can be mitigated. Also not going directly into the chop--going off to one side and finding the course which gives the best ride is key to handling and a smoother ride.

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My first 25 had only trim tabs. I added the Permatrim after several months (per advice given here) and it made all the difference in the world. MUCH better ride in chop.

The new 25 came with trim tabs and had the Permatrim installed before I took delivery.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schloots,

My 26 Venture was sold late 2016.

From your posts/comments, it sounds like you would be better off chartering
a powerboat for awhile, venturing into "big water", to know better what you
want before making a larger investment and being disappointed.

Aye.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The c-dory does a lot of things really well. Going offshore isn't one of them, Tomcat being the exception. If you need a boat with a cabin and a more comfortable ride, look at brands like Steigercraft, Parker, Shamrock, Albin 28 tournament express, Skagit Orca, Seasport, I could go on all day with better boats suited for what you want to do. I'd say just my opinion so as not to piss everyone off, but really it's facts. Also, a used 255 Tomcat is similar in price to the used venture 26, and its by far the best of the lineup for everything but fuel burn.
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