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gulfcoast john



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Concur with Bob.
A comment for newbies, you are best off selecting your 'suite' of elecltronics from the the same mfgr. A simple N2K network (5 pin) will transfer a lot of info but NOT radar or CHIRP sono. A Furuno radar will ONLY work with Furuno display etc etc. Autopilots are a mixed bag and may or may not play together nicely. I agree with Bob's prior advice to go to a boat show with multiple vendors to see each in action. I like Garmin as it seems most intuitive (as in you don't have to read the manual to install or operate it, though I advise against that I often don't follow my own advice).

For a new boater, one could advocate doing what the last owner did, assuming he too bought a 2006 for Bob's $118,000 and will sell it for $60,000 12 years later, costing him under $5,000/yr for 12 years to own a TC255...not bad.
Or buy the Three Rivers TC255 for $170,000 with 6 year engine warranties and sell it for half that in 12 years with none of these anxieties....after 13 boats that would be our choice.

Cat O' 9 Lives would be a fine name!
Happy Wiring!
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Almas Only



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The photos seem to indicate that this vessel was a dedicated USCG Facility, presumably operating under orders and under command of a CGAUX qualified Coxswain and Crew at the time of the incident. Assuming that's the case, detailed incident reports would have been filed with the CG and CGAUX. I'd ask for copies of those filings.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almas Only wrote:
The photos seem to indicate that this vessel was a dedicated USCG Facility, presumably operating under orders and under command of a CGAUX qualified Coxswain and Crew at the time of the incident. Assuming that's the case, detailed incident reports would have been filed with the CG and CGAUX. I'd ask for copies of those filings.

Brilliant.
It wouldn't contain anything useful on repairs, but it would certainly give the most accurate account of the incident, and be an awesome memento for the ship's logbook/genealogy if we get her.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gulfcoast john wrote:
A comment for newbies, you are best off selecting your 'suite' of elecltronics from the the same mfgr. A simple N2K network (5 pin) will transfer a lot of info but NOT radar or CHIRP sono. A Furuno radar will ONLY work with Furuno display etc etc. Autopilots are a mixed bag and may or may not play together nicely. I agree with Bob's prior advice to go to a boat show with multiple vendors to see each in action. I like Garmin as it seems most intuitive (as in you don't have to read the manual to install or operate it, though I advise against that I often don't follow my own advice).

Very good information for us noobs. Wink Razz
If we do end up with this boat that won't be an issue.
I don't have any specifics from the owner/broker yet despite multiple requests, but I do know the electronics were all replaced at the same time and I saw "Garmin" stamped on everything.
I'm pretty confident THAT is the one thing I won't have to worry about replacing anytime soon.

gulfcoast john wrote:
Or buy the Three Rivers TC255 for...

Shhhh.... I'm gonna stop you right there. The wife may hear you.

gulfcoast john wrote:
Cat O' 9 Lives would be a fine name!
Happy Wiring!
John

Even more brilliant. Mr. Green
Although the Admiral will have finally christening rights, I fully intend to now add the "battery cat" logo and the "the Cat O' 9 Lives" tagline beneath whatever she decides.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since the Coast Guard reimburses for certain damages to Facilities operating under orders, their file might contain quite a bit more than just a description of the incident. At some point, the owner would have submitted a detailed damage claim. Suggest you start by contacting the Flotilla under which the Facility was operating, and asking what information they have, or can obtain.

I don't know how much of this information would be classified as a public record, but it shouldn't be too hard for you to find out with a few phone calls.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thoughts by "Alma's Only"! There are several other possibilities. One is that the lightning strike occurred at the dock, when unattended. The boat started, maybe the electronics didn't work, maybe they did initially--but the boat went out anyway. Then after running, one engine, then the other quit. This is not an all that unusual scenario, to have the ECU module fail after running a few minutes. The damage is occult. The owner does not realize a lighting strike (may be side lobes, either air or water), and things aren't quite right, but they start off. Retrospectively the possibility of a lightning strike occurs. This would also jive with the antenna not being damaged as with a direct strike. Only the owner knows--and he certainly should give the entire scenario and have the receipts--if not the insurance company would have records, if the owner authorizes release of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just throwing this out there...for $60K what else can you buy?

I bought my Glacier Bay 2670 for $28K. 400 hours on 150 HPDI Yamahas. Bought a new trailer for $8500.

I looked at a totally redone one - new Zuks, autopilot, trailer, sonars...and I offered $57K. Was outbid at $60K for basically a brand new GB 2670. Different boat, but you get what I'm saying.

I did put in an offer on a diff TC a while ago and I want to say it was at $67K. Good shape, trailer...good boat. Bottom line why not wait/look for another TC.

I would be more concerned about the resale later. Personally I would walk away from just about any boat hit by lightning - bad luck aside - when that port light goes out, or the sonar flickers...you'll be always wondering.

Will be curious on purchase...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could do it if I wanted a project to work on, pour money into, meet and solve
unexpected problems, rely on others for help, get frequently perplexed and
disappointed and get absolutely no financial benefit from when it comes time
to sell it. Even then when I finished, it wouldn't be ABYC certified so I'd likely
have to wrangle with my insurance agent if I could get a policy at all.

Yea, I could do that. But, I wouldn't.

I'd rather go for a boat ride or hit my thumb with a hammer.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy wrote:
I could do it if I wanted a project to work on, pour money into, meet and solve
unexpected problems, rely on others for help, get frequently perplexed and
disappointed and get absolutely no financial benefit from when it comes time
to sell it.

I think you've just summed-up more than 50% of all boat forum content.
Very Happy

You have a way with words, Foggy, and bring up some good points.
I'll have to find out if insurance is going to be a problem.
It's all academic if I can't insure her to use on the water.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurance would not be a problem just because the boat had a prior lightning strike--unless the surveyor said there was some specific issue. My broker has never required a survey, and most of the time I do my own survey.

What insurance will not cover, is things that are normal wear and tear--and if it is a known problem when you bought the boat. Negligence may not be covered. But we hear of folks who put their boats on the beach or rocks--and seem to get paid their insurance claim.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob said,
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"....Negligence may not be covered. But we hear of folks who put their boats on the beach or rocks--and seem to get paid their insurance claim."


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After much debate between head and heart, and on the advice of paid experts, we've decided to continue searching.

On the plus side, the boat floats and the engines run.
The minus side is everything else discussed above.

I have surveys for the boat and both engines along with several photos to share if any C-Brats are seriously interested in restoring the old girl.
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