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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7881 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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We will see. If you look at the plans you will see that its a big circle but all the traffic does not go thru the circle. if you are headed to anacortes on 20 you go to the right thru a by pass. Which is something I have not seen before. That is in the final plan as well as during construction. _________________ Thomas J Elliott
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7881 City/Region: marysville
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NORO LIM
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 875 City/Region: Olympia
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | . . . It still can be terrifying to someone who is not used to these. . . . |
That, Bob, is an understatement!
My introduction to traffic circles came in 1970 while driving a US Army deuce-and-a-half in Korea. It was probably the single most disconcerting few moments of my life, before or since. There were buses, taxis, three-wheeled trucks, bicycles, and donkey carts each attempting to go at its respective top end speed, and swerving around anything ahead of it going slower. My particular vehicle was not known for its agility. Merging consisted mainly of inching left and hoping. I went twice around before I figured out which of the six exits was mine.
On the way back to base in that truck I was caught in a student demonstration/riot against the government, and was tear gassed by the national police. Honestly, that experience was not nearly as hair raising as the traffic circle.
Although I have now become something of a fan of traffic circles in many places, like anything else they can be overused, miss-located, or under-engineered. There is a good example of this on the west-side hill in Olympia. The circle is on a steep slope and has much too small of a diameter. It sits in the middle of a route used regularly by logging trucks. Full load + tight turn + steep hill = multiple turnovers.
I hope the Hwy 20 addition works out well. _________________ Bill, Formerly on NORO LIM
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chromer
Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 952 City/Region: Anacortes
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Circle involvement for the new Sharpes CIrcle
1. Anacortes to Burlington
2. Burlington to Oak Harbor
3. Oak Harbor to Anacortes
Note: A complete U-turn to your origin point requires the circle
Partial involvement, just a right turn lane
4. Anacortes to Oak Harbor
5. Oak Harbor to Burlington
Bypass - no circle involvement
6. Burlington to Anacortes _________________
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7881 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I think this will be an improvement the way its laid out. Right now the worst traffic is on Friday afternoon and Sunday afternoon. going either way has taken us several turns of the light to get thru. after this is built it will not require a light at all and using the circle itself in only one direction as Dwight points out. For once I think that wdot , I know its a shock, is getting in front of the problem. Oak harbor and the base are growing so fast that most of the personal that live off base are moving to Mt vernon because there is not enough housing in oak harbor. Snohomish county is going to add 200k people in the next 8 years. Skagit will get about 80k or so. Seattle is full and there is only room to move out , mostly north. like it or not that is the future. DR horton homes is selling new construction 3000sq ft homes on 5000ft lots in bothell for 1.2 million each. They are sold out. |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7881 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Video on how to properly use a traffic circle. traffic class |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I like the idea of the sling launch in keeping the trailer out of salt water. But if I have access to a fresh water hose to rinse stuff off, I can live with that. |
Squalicum has two fresh water wash hoses.
As to traffic circles, they are putting those damned things in all over. People/drivers who know how they work should be fine but the Seattle area is full of passive/aggressive drivers who are brain dead. They have even installed small ones in residential areas. Towing our 25 is, uhm, "challenging" when I encounter them. We have two a mile from our house and they were designed with sloped curbing to be "driven over". It's because they are too small and the roadway too narrow. Our trailer goes over it every time. No way around it.... _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
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chromer
Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 952 City/Region: Anacortes
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah the locals will figure this out quick. I am a little concerned about the person who only comes once a year in the summer. |
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Salmon Fisher
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 809 City/Region: Arlington
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Right now, our plan is to launch in Bellingham to skip the construction.
I am a little nervous about going to Cornet for shrimping early in May, will try Fred's suggestion for the work-around through Anacortes. _________________ Patrick and Kim Walker
2004 25 Cruiser-Present
2000 22 Cruiser 2009-2014 (Sold)
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Honey, this REALLY will be my last boat, honest! |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:12 am Post subject: |
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starcrafttom wrote: | Video on how to properly use a traffic circle. traffic class |
"It's MOPAR or it's no car". |
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Marco Flamingo
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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I just had some fun with traffic circles as a "foreigner" while driving in New Zealand. Go around the traffic circle the wrong way, then turn into the wrong lane. Remember to signal, which meant that I turned on my wipers. Made for exciting driving adventures.
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Love Myth Busters. One of the issues, and the reasons that roundabouts were tried in some of our subdivisions, was because of accidents--people ran the stop signs. (Still do). With the roundabouts, they didn't go around, but turned Left against the traffic--because it was ....shorter and faster! The other problem we had, was that fire engines, could not get thru the round about. Granted these were much smaller than the ones noted near Anacortes.
The best solution was one taken at the intersection in Panama City and Panama City Beach--very high traffic areas--and the vast majority of traffic was shuttled over the intersection on two levels of elevation--with stop lights at the bottom, for those who wanted to some contrary way. Far more expensive than the roundabout--but handled a far larger volume of traffic with no stops.
I see the bypass, but why not both ways? (again it would be more expensive). There is definitely a learning curve--and I used the Long Beach Calif. roundabout several times daily for many years, but it was the neophyte who caused the problems--or that person who didn't follow the rules...) _________________ Bob Austin
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hardee
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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While in the Dominican Republic a couple of years ago, I got to drive through the epitome of insanity. There were about 7 streets that came together into an intersection about 1 acre in size, and even though there were lanes and lights NO ONE paid any attention to them. Everyone picked whatever way they wanted to go and went when and where they pleased. The bigger the vehicle the more right of way you had. If you stopped anywhere, you could just plan on getting old in that spot. It wasn't fair to run over the ubiquitous motorcycles but they could be bullied into submission as long as you were moving. Counting motorcycles, bicycles, pedestrians along with 4 wheeled vehicles there were probably 2-300 moving entities in the "roundabout" at any given time. The average motorcycle had 3.8 riders, bicycles were about 2.5.
We were moving 5 vehicles in a convoy through that city. Glad we had radio communication.... and a stay tight policy.
Harvey
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robhwa
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I can relate, Harvey. During my Peace Corps days we drove on the BEST side of the road, at least when you could tell. During the long rains (a season) you couldn't see how deep the holes were so you just went for it. Life was interesting. Drivers could claim the best side or run through a stop sign or light if 1) they were bigger, 2) had a louder horn, 3) were military, or 4) if the vehicle was a Mercedes, which meant a gang boss or government minister (or both). I rode a "piki-piki" or motorcycle, so I had to do the dodge and weave. Thank goodness for the USA. I kiss the ground every time I return from working abroad. |
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