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Aurelia



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City/Region: Gig Harbor
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C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 19 Angler
Vessel Name: Ari
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:59 am    Post subject: Re-power Choice for 19, Honda or Suzuki Reply with quote

We are keeping our precious Ari for at least 5 more years and decided to up the enjoyment factor with a new outboard for less weight, fuel injection, and more charging amps.

We have a couple of deals lined up down in Portland and up in Tacoma.

The pricing is very close and the specs are quite close as well.

Any input on a new Honda 90 vs and new Suzuki 90?

We are not into top speed and will be happy to prop down at least a bit for our heavy 19 and preferred 14-18 knot cruising speeds.

Thoughts and experience welcome,

Greg

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potter water



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I loved my twin Suzuki's on Still C-razy. But I don't think you can go wrong with either brand. If I was re-powering I'd definitely go with the E-tech. I've had one for 7 years on another boat and have never been happier. The hole shot power is terrific. It is very quiet and lighter weight per HP than the 4 strokes. Pollution is at or better than the 4 strokers. I haven't price compared.
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DavidM



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too like the Evinrude E-Tec engines. But for now the smallest Gen 2 E-Tec that you can buy is 150 hp. It will take a year or two before they develop a smaller one. The Gen 2s have better fuel economy than the 4 strokes, better low end torque and easier maintenance. Until they do I think that the Honda is the best of the three. Rock solid block.

And don't over prop any O/B even if you run well below wot. Prop it to reach rated wot hp and it will last longer.

David
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Aurelia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We err toward propping down in pitch for a relatively higher RPM and less loading of the engine. Not going for top speed on this boat but effortless planing for heavy loads and midgrade cruising speeds.

Etec motors are not in consideration at this time and I do have some running experience with 3 different models of Etec. I love two strokes, just not for this boat.

Noise is one consideration we would be especially interested in hearing about. We keep the back doors open on the cabin and less noise is really great.

Greg
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PaulNBriannaLynn



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Between Honda and Suzuki would be my two choices as well. There had been some issues in the past with galvanic corrosion of a plug on the exhaust housing, leading to the early death on a number of the suzukis. I'm not sure if they've worked that out yet but you'd probably be happy with either choice.

I'd go with the Honda, but I'm stubborn as a mule. Honda has always got me home at the end of the day. They're usually the last to update their products,. ie fuel injection, weight, etc., but they have always been and still are the gold standard of reliability.

Down here where we live now, nearly every recreational boater has a Yamaha or Suzuki. But check out the commercial fleet of crabbers and oyster growers and commercial fisherman using their boats every day. Every single one of them I've seen has a Honda on the back. Its weird because mechanics and dealers are few and far between compared to the other brands.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Evinrude site shows a nice 90HP and a 90HP high output currently available. It would make your 19 a screaming machine.
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CaptMac



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Get a 22 Reply with quote

If spending 5-8k for a stronger motor, and you stated that your 19 was heavy, why not sell the 19 as is and move up to a 22? You'll get the motor you want and extra load-carrying capacity not to mention the enjoyment of a complete enclosure cabin and extra room.
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Aurelia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We love the 19 and it fits in our storage shed with no length to spare. We do have a set of custom hard doors on the back of the cabin, but rarely use them with the current semi-permanent camperback enclosure in place. We did consider the 22, and owned a 25 previously, but the 19 is really the boat for us, and we prefer it over the other models for how we use it.

Greg
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: porta-potti Reply with quote

Just looked at your album and your back door enclosure is very nice it actually looks factory made. I also noticed your porta-potti stern-mounted (sb side) addition in one of the pics. What are the specs for this? I could really use a similar set up on my other boat, the Flounder Barge, for the ladies. It would give me the ability to advertise a head on the boat and the groups would likely opt for a longer charter. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Greg- would the new Honda 90 be compatible with your existing controls and gauges? If so that might save several hundred in parts and labor. Are there any advantages of the BF100 over the BF90 for your boat?

Will you be doing all your own service, or relying on the local dealer for some work? For example, where my boat is kept, I might be inclined to go with Honda because there is an onsite Honda dealer/tech available within golf-cart distance.

At the same time, for pushing heavy loads the Suzuki looks appealing - lower gear ratio, swinging larger prop. I really love that big prop on my Command Thrust 90...seems to make no fuss whether pushing just me or 4 people, and lots of instant thrust maneuvering in winds around the marina. The Suzuki may be similar in that regard. Peter seemed to like his new Suzuki 90. It would also match your 2.5 kicker, if you are still using that.

I know you've already considered all those points and more...either way, you can't go wrong, and glad to hear you are looking to repower and staying with the C-Dory for a while longer!

-Mike

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ran a cost analysis on a Torqueedo 80 versus gas outboard ? The initial cost is mind boggling ($24k !) but the fuel savings and annual maintenance might make it a viable choice over your 60 month upcoming window.

Plus it would be so cool to not need fuel or do oil changes!

https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/deep-blue

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Aurelia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stern Mounted Porta-potti was really a nice idea. Great views!

http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album2026&id=20131229_162804_resized&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

Seriously though, We are looking for new controls and NMEA 2000 data to new instruments/chartplotter as the existing controls are really basic.

The BF100 only makes more power with premium fuel and is otherwise a tuned up version of the 90. The dealers didn't even recommend it for this boat and actually tried to push a new 75 just to be realistic. I think a 90 has more resale appeal for when that day comes and would be worth it for that reason.

We do basic service with a dealer service roughly every 2 years based on our use. We have both Suzuki and Honda service in our area so that is a wash. The Suzuki gear ratio is a good point and that does fit our boat pretty well. We do still have the 2.5 suzuki and love it. Just ran it a week ago for fun out on an area lake with the Sorensen 12 which we are also re-powering this spring.

The Torqeedo is neat but the 24k does not include batteries and they are recommending BMW I3 and I8 units which can't be cheap. I have heard rumors of 50k to get running and have a bit of range. That is a ton of fuel and maintenance.

Greg


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:10 pm    Post subject: which motor Reply with quote

I'm partial to the Honda motors though I had a previous C-Dory 22' (Blue Manatee) 2003 model with a Suzuki 90, fuel-injected, that ran flawlessly. My current C-Dory 22 Cruiser, River Horse, has two Honda (carbureted) 45 hp motors that have always run perfectly albeit they have very low hours. I also have a 2000 Honda bf90a on my other boat, the Flounder Barge, also a carbureted motor, that has well over 3,000 hours and is a definite testament to the longevity of the Honda outboards. I'm big on maintenance, do minor tune ups myself including replacement of fluids, all on a regular basis.
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Aurelia



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, 32k per battery at 560lbs each plus the 24k for the motor and controls and they only provide 35 minutes of full throttle runtime each so we would want more than one.

Two batteries plus motor = 88k and a big no way for our boating style
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned both the Honda 90 (older carbureted version) and several Suzuki 115/140 (same block). The Honda and Suzuki are almost identical in weight, and displacement. The Honda has 44 amps charging, with 35 available. The Suzuki has 27 amps total..and I suspect a little less charging.

Although I have loved my Suzuki outboards and I do believe that they are slightly quieter than the Hondas, and also slightly more corrosion resistant; in this case, I would go with the Hondas because of the higher alternator output.

The Suzuki plug corrosion was fixed some years ago. But Hondas tend to have more corrosion issues in general than Suzuki. Both will swing 14" diameter props, but the Suzuki will have a higher pitch because of a lower gear ratio. Although Suzuki claims a quicker hole shot, I would want to see equivalent props.

I would also look at price--I have found Suzuki for a little less than Honda....But that is variable.

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