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Nash 22



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:36 pm    Post subject: Anchor Drum Winch Reply with quote

Hi -

Is there anyone who has installed an anchor drum winch on a C-Dory?
What are your thoughts on this set up?
Does anyone have any pictures?

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nash,

To my knowledge, of those active here on the site, I believe there was one tried on a TomCat255, and it might have been Warren but don't remember for sure if he actually did it or just talked about it.

They take a lot of room, and and a bunch of weight from what I remember from the discussion here on the site.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back about 10 or so years ago, we discussed some on a boat or two or so in Alaska.

Yes, they took a lot of room, but were useful in holding all the rope necessary for anchoring in deep water.

Features a simple design, and is perhaps more foolproof than using a more conventional windlass and the anchor rode locker designed into the bow of the boat.

Anything to avoid going forward on the bow in rough, freezing cold weather and water!

Very much a utility approach, but whatever works, works!

If you notice, a lot of the C-Dories in Alaska borrow lot of ideas from the commercial fishermen there.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warren was the one who put the drum on his 255. My son has his old Lewmar windlass now. My recollection as we talked about his winch, was the amount of line it would hold.

One of the issues is getting enough line--using one of the synthetics such as Spectra which allows a very thin line with the same SWL. But...there is no elasticity and it is difficult to put a snubber on the thin spectra line.

Consider how much line and chain you want. See if you can find a drum winch which will hold this much, without too large a footprint.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've thought about getting one. So far it's bulk and cost has held me back. Most all of the fishing boats around here use heavy duty hydraulic versions.
Here's one on Shearwater
http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album1308&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

This is a neat one a fellow Brat made - neat idea and looks like a good job. Be nice to have a follow up on how it worked out.
http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=Lori-L&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a variety of "flat rope" vendors that I see at boat shows. The flat rope rolls up on a reel.

Something like this:

https://www.ultramarinewestshop.com/products/quickline-flat-rope-and-reel
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssobol wrote:
There are a variety of "flat rope" vendors that I see at boat shows. The flat rope rolls up on a reel.

Something like this:

https://www.ultramarinewestshop.com/products/quickline-flat-rope-and-reel


I often see those for stern tie use, but not sure the working load would stand up to anchoring loads. I wonder if the flat rope would "buzz" if it was down in a strong current. Just my thoughts.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vendors at the boat shows claim the flat rope is sufficient for anchoring. However, I think that it does not have the same shock absorbing stretch as 3 strand nylon.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can buy Mil. spec. flat 1" nylon webbing with breaking strength at over 4000# for 38 cents a foot for 300 feet: That means that for $114 you can get about the same as you pay over $1000 for the "Flat line" which has polyester in it..

I picked up 200 feet of 3/4" parachute nylon tubing surpluses WWII, and used it for years, everything from winching a 2 1/2 ton truck out of the mud, to a stern anchor on a 30 foot sailboat. I suspect it was higher working load than the flat nylon. It did not have much elasticity. One has to sew the loop into the end of the tubing or flat --knots do weaken it significantly.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for the information. This would be a great change to manually dropping and raising the anchor. The regular winlass does not appeal to me as I don't want wet rope in the v-berth.

Thanks again!
Nash
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had one of these on my Nordic Tug. They're pretty bullet-proof.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nash22,
If you do install one, let us know how it works out. I'd love to hear about it --sure others would too!! Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

olsurfdog wrote:
I've thought about getting one. So far it's bulk and cost has held me back. Most all of the fishing boats around here use heavy duty hydraulic versions.
Here's one on Shearwater
http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album1308&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

This is a neat one a fellow Brat made - neat idea and looks like a good job. Be nice to have a follow up on how it worked out.
http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=Lori-L&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php


I (Shearwater) love my big ugly reel windless, never found the front deck of much practical use so did not mind giving up the space.

Thing is a beast, uses a made in USA Ramsey winch motor so parts and repair should never be an issue if needed. Honestly I don't bother to power up on the anchor to pull, hit the switch, drag the boat up to the anchor and reel it in. Having visibility to the rode and chain as it winds on the reel is a big plus. Worst case you give the chain a shove to one side if it starts stacking up.
It's been 100% reliable over 5 years, shows no signs of rust and it just works every time you need it to. Change the gear oil every couple of years for maintenance and replaced one of the gearbox fill plugs with a vented plug.
Was so nice in Alaska, no need to go outside in the pouring rain to set or retrieve, cleat/uncleat the rode. Painless as hit the switch!

But I see the new generation is using an EZanchor branded motor and they no longer advertise as made in the USA?
So a little google work came up with
E-Z Anchor Puller Mfg. Co. was founded in 1990 by life-long entrepreneur George L. Towns in Ludington, Michigan. Since being acquired by new investors in 2011,

That "acquired by new investors" generally speaks volumes about model line changes. AKA made in china/india to increase profit now that George is not running the show.
New product line could be as robust and reliable as the original but there was an appeal about being powered by a highly reputed and respected USA manufacture when I made the purchase.

stevej

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, what is the footprint of that drum winch, Please?

Harvey
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brochure for EZAnchor puller drum windlass
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