Article on Marijuana on boats

Brewkid · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject:

I think the weather needs to clear so we all can get back to boating! It's life my friends, everyone gets to choose how they get through it and news flash for everyone, no one gets out alive.

Now back to your regular scheduled debate.

John
Scallywag

thataway · Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:33 pm Post subject:

Oh, the great "scientific journal" Huffington Post!~! And as Harvey says...

People can always rationalize what they do.... Including boating and C Dorys! :)

Yes it is a free country, and alcohol/drugs are evil. I pray that not one more kid has an adverse reaction, or does not become a chronic user. But that is not going to happen--and I consider that a tragedy.

Ordutch1975 · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:26 am Post subject:

Brewkid · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:40 am Post subject:

I suppose I should have introduced myself Dr. Bob. My name is John Kassik. My parents own Kassiks Brewery, brewers of the finest, smoothest, most decadent "evil" you've ever tasted!

One should be careful with the self righteousness. Especially one who has possible peddled more than one gateway drug under the guise of medical pain relief. More than one finger has pointed at the medical field for the opioid epidemic.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting your guilty of any wrong doing, and I'm sure as hell not suggesting you're "evil".

For all my Pacific Northwest fisher friends, it's less than 1' today on the sound! Hope you get a chance to slay some salmon!

John
Scallywag

Ordutch1975 · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:32 am Post subject:

Brewkid · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:18 pm Post subject:

Dutch, you're probably right. It was the long thread that pulled my chute. I'm sure he was only making a flippant remark and maybe I read into it. If so, sorry Bob! I like talking about hot topics as much as the next guy, sometimes I just hear a little more "I know best" comming out and cant stomache it...

John
Scallywag

thataway · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:36 pm Post subject:

It was a facetious remark, my apologies. I was being a bit sarcastic and that I apologize for also. The smiley face didn't appear; apparently I had disabled smiles... I should have put "evil" in quotes. Mea Culpa.

Adults can make their own decisions. But I do get a bit upset when folks say that there are no bad effects from either marijuana (or alcohol), because there is so much on the internet which seems to promote the "safety" of marijuana, which teens use as a valid reason to smoke pot. We have made some inroads in discouraging tobacco use, but then we seem to encourage another smoked and inhaled material. (To be candid, I am guilty of smoking for a year, as well enjoying a pipe and cigars in the distant past, in case I have offended another C Brat.)

I love a micro brew as well as the next guy. But I do limit to one drink. That is a personal decision. I'd love to have a taste of the Kassiks brew.

As far as "Gateway drugs": I have prescribed some narcotics--mostly for terminal cancer patients, or on a very short term basis. Calif. has very strict laws on schedule II drugs. Also sedatives were given very rarely. In the practice of sports medicine (my last 8 years)--ibuprofen was given fairly often (which does have side effects also), but the university formulary did not have any narcotics. An antidepressant or sedative was given only after a psychological evaluation.

No harm, no foul, and I understand the pride in a successful brewery (only been to Kenai once, and it was before 2004.) I've said my piece (or peace)! CoolSmile

Marco Flamingo · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:49 pm Post subject:

For me, the horrors of legalized marijuana have yet to materialize. I live in downtown Seattle (Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh No!) and have not noticed a change for the worse. I just read a National Judicial College report where they asked judges about the legalization of marijuana (in those jurisdictions where recreational use is now allowed). Quite a few judges commented that they had never had a case (as judge or attorney) involving a violent crime or domestic violence as a result of marijuana use. Domestic violence and alcohol seem to be hand and glove. Not that marijuana doesn't have its own problems, but the comparison of marijuana to alcohol is tenuous.

It is possible to point to deviant behavior and link it to recent marijuana usage, just as it is possible to point to deviant behavior and claim that the person was recently born again, or ingested steroids, or is a scrapbooker. Making a logical link is more difficult than making a claim. I have seen an apparent connection between marijuana and laziness, but I'm never certain that the person would not be a shiftless lowlife but for marijuana use. And then I've known users that can only be described as "extremely high functioning," no pun intended.

As to boating, I think I'd rather encounter stoned boaters than drunk boaters. There's a good possibility that stoned boaters would not even leave the dock.

Mark

Ordutch1975 · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject:

If violence is the only measure - I agree 100% back in the nineties a judge in Bayern (Germany)said if all soccer fans smoked weed instead of drinking alcohol there would be no fights at soccer games. While I get this argument I think it is quite a mediocre one and certainly short sighted. Neither is better than the other. My issue is the hype around weed and advertising that has long been to some degree discouraged or not allowed with alcohol.

Ordutch1975 · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:21 pm Post subject:

Since we are going all over the place. This is a good article in difference of attitude. For the record Germany prescribes twice the pills as holland does (still a fraction of what is prescribed in America) and has twice the amount of sick days than Dutch workers do. Never the less this is a good view point for comparison. The bottom line is that there is a direct correlation that has been proven over and over again between # of drugs prescribed by country and sick days. America is quite high on the list. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/opinion/sunday/surgery-germany-vicodin.html?referer=https://news.google.com/

Ordutch1975 · Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:24 pm Post subject:

https://www.consumerreports.org/prescription-drugs/too-many-meds-americas-love-affair-with-prescription-medication/

Foggy · Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:55 am Post subject:

Below are facts you may or may not be aware of:

DEA CLASSIFICATION (dea.org website)
Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently
accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs are the
most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe
psychological or physical dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis),
3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote

ETHYL ALCOHOL

*Solvent
*Anti-infective Agent
*Central Nervous System Depressant, a psychoactive drug
**The oldest known sedative - goes back thousands of years.
**Historically, pharmacologically classified as and used as a
general anesthetic agent for surgery
**IV injection to treat life threatening alcohol withdrawal (Delerium Tremens - "DTs").
*Local Injection to kill nerve tissue (therapeutic neurolysis) for the relief
of inoperable pain (CA, Trigeminal Neuralgia [tic doloureux])and for patients
for whom neurosurgery is contraindicated.

Aye.
Someone said, "Knowledge is power."
Grandma used to say, "It's better to know than not know."

Peter & Judy · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:26 pm Post subject:

As of this summer marijuana will be legal in Canada. The Mounties have revealed their sobriety test for drivers. Since this is a federal law in Canada, the test will likely be the same on the water as on the roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PLC_cBJwk4

Ordutch1975 · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:30 pm Post subject:

Why are they called Mounties?

ssobol · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:36 pm Post subject:

When what is now RCMP started out (ca. 1870), the primary mode of transportation was the horse. One of the original entities was called the North West Mounted Police.