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RobLL



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Posting mostly to be subscribed to this thread. My pessimism reached what I thought was its nadir about 2000, largely global warming projections. Technology does offer the hope of restoring salmon, control climate and good population control (no compulsion). But it requires a political will that I do not think our specie possesses.

Here in Kitsap county we have restored any number of streams. As a small peninsula they are all short. This involves culvert and bridge rebuilding, restoring some streamside conservation lands, changing channelising back to more meandering, pools, ripples etc. The results are, as I have mentioned before, almost magical. Salmon appear.

We can do it, we can do it all. But will we?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a friend who lives along a small creek that empties into Discovery Bay. A few years ago they were counting 3-400 salmon. Two years ago it was just under 100. Last year it was only 6. Given the cyclic nature of the counts, this next year is going to be very telling, as the peak seems to be every 3 years.

They planted some fertilized salmon eggs into the stream last fall hoping to supplement the original fish eggs there and increase the return. This is part of a small Christian school biology project.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/headlines/

WDFW REFUTES WILD FISH CONSERVANCY’S LATEST ATLANTIC SALMON CLAIMS

its the third article down the page. WFC is a anti fishing group that does NOT want to recover the runs to a point that you or anyone else gets to fish. I have talked to them years ago and they emitted just that to me " off the record" quoting this group is like quoting peta on how to bring back hunting. It is sad that the state has moved to get rid of a industry based on lies and mis information for votes, when we have a chance to work with the industry to come up with really science based solutions that work for everyone. but hey its fing Washington state , what else would you expect. If you feel other wise I really no longer care. Pm me if you most. [/url]

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest from Oly. Never let a tragedy go to waste. http://komonews.com/news/local/washington-legislature-phases-out-atlantic-salmon-farming

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...quoting this group is like quoting PETA on how to bring back hunting...
Laughing They always have a name that sounds innocent & innocuous. It's only by researching does one discover their true motives.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Thinking without awareness is the main dilemma of human existence."

Forgot who said this but I like it as it seems to apply to history since
'homo sapiens' have been around.

The fish are lucky. They don't realize what's going on.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cooke's PR during this whole period has been a little brain dead. They have pumped out misinformation. Rather than inform the state about problems at their various sites and explain corrections happening, they have waited (?) for regulators to inspect and cite them. Surely they must have been aware that citizens generally did not hold a favorable view of fish pens. Another likely problem is that profit margins were too thin, but that is not the state's problem.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/10.1139/cjfas-2016-0203#.W2N14MInbcs

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/orca-task-force-proposed-mission-statement-blasted-for-overlooking-seal-predation/

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"Converting juvenile Chinook salmon into adult equivalents, we found that by 2015, pinnipeds consumed double that of resident killer whales and six times greater than the combined commercial and recreational catches,” the authors’ abstract reads.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following is an excerpt from an email I recieved recently from Wild Fish Conservancy:

"WFC announces summer lecture series on Atlantic salmon net pens.
Summer lecture series presented by Wild Fish Conservancy Director Kurt Beardslee on Atlantic salmon net pens and their residual implications for Chinook salmon and killer whale recovery. This is a new campaign to educate the public about a debilitating and potentially lethal salmonid virus remaining in Puget Sound Atlantic salmon net pens that cannot be ignored until 2022.

Join WFC director Kurt Beardslee for a public discussion on PRV (Piscine Reovirus) in Puget Sound.

Kurt will explain what recent science reveals about the virus and how exposure to PRV-infected farmed fish places our native salmonids at risk, as well as the implications for the Northwest's endangered Southern Resident Killer whales. He’ll review the results of recent PRV-testing in Puget Sound farmed Atlantic salmon and and what these results suggest about the potential scale of infection in the remaining net pens.

Kurt will also discuss Our Sound, Our Salmon’s efforts to stand in solidarity with B.C. First Nations as they petition the Canadian government to remove PRV-infected fish farms from their ancestral waters. Finally, learn all about Our Sound, Our Salmon’s new campaign to ensure PRV-infected farmed Atlantic salmon are removed from Puget Sound and how you can get involved to support these efforts. Each presentation will be followed by a Q and A.

If you are interested, check out the Wild Fish Conservancy web site for PNW meeting times and places near you.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14984-8
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fraser River may be too warm for the returning Sockeye Salmon this year. Interesting article from the CBC website.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sockeye-salmon-water-temperature-1.4771607

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

localboy wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14984-8
This is very interesting. One nugget: Orcas consume more tonnage than harbor seals, but harbor seals consume a greater number of individual fish. Another: consumption by natural predators has risen substantially since 1975, while consumption by fisheries has fallen dramatically.

Good to see some hard data on this. Thanks, Mark.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not exactly a joke, but shouldn't we be eating some of those Sea Lions?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobLL wrote:
Not exactly a joke, but shouldn't we be eating some of those Sea Lions?


http://mynorthwest.com/1066485/dori-pinnipeds-orca-salmon/

Read this one. This is his argument; that seals & sea lions must be culled. Now he is a well known fisher"person"...but he is also a well respected biologist with the education to back his argument.

This fact is very telling:
"Converting juvenile Chinook salmon into adult equivalents, we found that by 2015, pinnipeds consumed double that of resident killer whales and six times greater than the combined commercial and recreational catches,” the authors’ abstract reads.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AstoriaDave wrote:
localboy wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14984-8
This is very interesting. One nugget: Orcas consume more tonnage than harbor seals, but harbor seals consume a greater number of individual fish. Another: consumption by natural predators has risen substantially since 1975, while consumption by fisheries has fallen dramatically.

Good to see some hard data on this. Thanks, Mark.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't fish but I drew several conclusions from reading this thread:

1. This is a multifaceted problem.

2. The root appears to be climate change and warming of the waters.

3. Lots of appreciation of science demonstrating effects but little for the cause.

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