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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssobol wrote:
Hunkydory wrote:
... Personally, I favor freedom of choice with very few restrictions of what one can choose to do, as long as the hazards involved are known. ...


I generally agree with your statement as long as the consequences of failure only affect the person(s) who willingly choose to participate. When you put non-participants or even your rescuers (or maybe recovery personnel) in potential harm you have overstepped this limit and the choice of what is acceptable risk is no longer solely yours to make.


Amen. There is also the financial cost of stupid, to society. Do you know how many people my dept has to search for and/or save because they went into the mountains unprepared, out of shape and with zero knowledge or experience or preparation? Same goes for The Sound and the lakes.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second thoughts.

Saying, even thinking, "people are dumb" is a gross misjudgment and
generalization. It is more a reflection on the sayer, or thinker, than the
"dumb person". It is being judgmental without knowing the total person being
judged; merely a moment's snapshot of the person unless you know them well.

That "dumb person" might be able to sit at a piano and play Bach or Mozart well
enough to make tears come to your eyes.

It's said, "We don't see the world the way it is. We see it as we are." This can apply
to how we see others. Thus, saying "They're a bunch of dumb xxxxx's" is really
saying something about yourself. It has nothing to do with who you are talking
about.

Of course, the antidote to judgmental thinking is being respectful to everyone.
Sometimes, it's not easy. Most worthwhile endeavors are not.

Aye.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy wrote:
Second thoughts.

Saying, even thinking, "people are dumb" is a gross misjudgment and
generalization. It is more a reflection on the sayer, or thinker, than the
"dumb person". It is being judgmental without knowing the total person being
judged; merely a moment's snapshot of the person unless you know them well.

That "dumb person" might be able to sit at a piano and play Bach or Mozart well
enough to make tears come to your eyes.

It's said, "We don't see the world the way it is. We see it as we are." This can apply
to how we see others. Thus, saying "They're a bunch of dumb xxxxx's" is really
saying something about yourself. It has nothing to do with who you are talking
about.

Of course, the antidote to judgmental thinking is being respectful to everyone.
Sometimes, it's not easy. Most worthwhile endeavors are not.

Aye.


Mozel tov Mr. Foggy !

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L'Chaim MartyP!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy wrote:

Saying, even thinking, "people are dumb" is a gross misjudgment and
generalization. It is more a reflection on the sayer, or thinker, than the
"dumb person".

Aye.


In my line of work, it's factual.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

foggy, I like this line of thinking
Quote:
"Of course, the antidote to judgmental thinking is being respectful to everyone.
Sometimes, it's not easy. Most worthwhile endeavors are not.

Aye.


I have seen lots of "stupid" and often, you can't get one thread of common sense into that head, but it is always worth a try. I have seen life lost and have help in some successful rescues, and I have had the privilege of turning "stupid" around on some occasions and hopefully affected some incident specific education and some general practice planning tips that I hope have been carried on past a 10 foot perimeter.

I ran across 2 very experience and prepared sea kayaker's several miles off the NW corner of Vancouver Island. They were returning from a run out to Pine Island lighthouse, about 5 miles from Hope Island. They were fine, thanked me for checking and off I went after confirming there preparedness. These 2 were not stupid, but I would probably not find myself in their situation now. Maybe some years ago, but not any more.

I helped a guy decide not to launch at John Wayne to go halibut fishing when the winds were blowing 40 and the Strait was under high wind warning with 6 foot waves. There were 4 footers and mostly whitecaps inside the bay and he had an open 16 foot aluminum boat. It was going to be his and his wife's first time out for halibut and second time out in the boat. He wasn't stupid, he was ignorant. AND he was accepting of some common sense, some local knowledge, and a lifetime of experience.

Then there was stupid. 3 guys on a 23 foot, no name sailboat, wanting to go from Port Townsend to Victoria, with a AAA road map, no radio, didn't know if there were working lights on the vessel, it had an OB kicker, but no gas, ("because it is a sail boat, we wont need any gas") and didn't know they would have to check in with customs, so no passports. They did not understand "No, don"t do it, for a dozen reasons, --> lack of experience, training, preparedness, paper work, less than a marginal vessel, and .....

They thought they could still do it and off they went. A marine patrol boat blue lighted them before they got to Point Wilson. I suspect they were turned around officially. Stupid averted .... for one more day anyway.

We have seen it all, I'm sure, and it will continue to happen, but hopefully less often and with less serious consequences. Some of us see it more often and it is hard to believe there are so many that fit the category. Most of us, I hope, are many notches above and are smart enough to learn without becoming a casualty.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy wrote:
Second thoughts.

Saying, even thinking, "people are dumb" is a gross misjudgment and
generalization. It is more a reflection on the sayer, or thinker, than the
"dumb person". It is being judgmental without knowing the total person being
judged; merely a moment's snapshot of the person unless you know them well.

That "dumb person" might be able to sit at a piano and play Bach or Mozart well
enough to make tears come to your eyes.

It's said, "We don't see the world the way it is. We see it as we are." This can apply
to how we see others. Thus, saying "They're a bunch of dumb xxxxx's" is really
saying something about yourself. It has nothing to do with who you are talking
about.

Of course, the antidote to judgmental thinking is being respectful to everyone.
Sometimes, it's not easy. Most worthwhile endeavors are not.

Aye.


I watched a bunch of people go swimming in their own chum slick from a chum bag (not to mention mine) at the Skyway Bridge at slack tide (lots of HUGE Bullsharks there). Seems the girls had to go to the bathroom.

I looked over at my son and said "Those people are idiots. " Never gave it much thought that they might be creative in any way. Just lump summed them into one broad category of stupidity. I guess the smart one was hanging on to the side of the boat. The dumb ones were holding onto to a rope about 20' off the stern. Almost looked like a supersized bobber and line.

I believe I followed my comment up with something like "Don't let me ever catch you doing something that stupid."

Darwin's Law of evolution did not play out that day, but they sure were testing it.

Looking back on it I'm still good with what I said. Nothing wrong with pointing out to your kid that there are stupid people in this world and don't be one of them.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the above, some get it, some don't.
And that's OK.

Aye.
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http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/man-in-serious-condition-after-kayak-overturns-near-alki/650296827
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So i went duck hunting yesterday near stannwood. Wind was blowing a solid 40 and gusting to 60 a few times. Was pulling my goose decoys out of the ground. They are anchored into the ground on a 3 ft long rod. Several times I was almost pushed off my ft and we were not in the direct wind but behind a berm.

Coast guard had to rescue two sailboarder off the water at kayak point just south of us. It was a 4 to 6 ft short spaced chop. IF that is not stupid I just do not know what is. Complete morons. Its not even lack of information. You can stand there at the waters edge and Go "f this its blowing 60 mph"

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Visit The Gorge near Portland, OR to see myriads of stupid sailboarders
sailing in winds funneling thru the mountains at well over 60mph.

BTW they look like they're flying, having the time of their lives.

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Couple young guys down here regularly fly their kiteboards (basically a snowboard set up to run on the water, with a serious parasail and bombproof harness on the body, controllable using the shrouds) on the Clatsop Beach, sometimes in surf, sometimes in the major backwater inside Trestle Bay. They appear to be in control up to windspeeds of about 30 knots, ramping down to sails of smaller area as the wind rises, primarily operating at the water's edge and sometimes in 4 foot surf, max.

These guys are extremely strong, very fit, and very safety conscious. Even so, they are very aware of the risk, and are quick to shut down when conditions get out of hand. And, it is an easy swim and easy retrieval if they crash.

In contrast, off Manzanita, from the Neahkanie Mtn overlook on 101, you can spot guys using similar rigs, running inside, through, and outside the surf zone, out a long quarter mile or more, onshore winds. With a long swim to shore, no way can they retrieve a sailrig if they crash. No Waverunner patrol. Nothing. Freaking nuts!

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Foggy wrote:
Visit The Gorge near Portland, OR to see myriads of stupid sailboarders
sailing in winds funneling thru the mountains at well over 60mph.


I question that "myriads" of either windsurfers or kite boarders sail in winds of 60 mph. It the very rare individual that can succeed to either kite board or wind surf in winds of this velocity. Plus winds of this velocity are rare in the Columbia River Gorge.

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