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starcrafttom
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Marco Flamingo
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Hopefully, he will get back to his slip and never leave it again.
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localboy
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"This has turned my life upside down..."
Well at least you still HAVE A LIFE! 
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hardee
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:36 am Post subject: |
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As often happens, a boat name has special meaning. May this one hapoen in the appropriate places from here on out.
Harvey
SleepyC 
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chromer
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:43 am Post subject: |
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That fellow should be required to broadcast Sécurité warnings every 15 minutes while underway on Ch 16
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potter water
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Did I hear him actually say, "When I got hit by a ferry.? I'm pretty sure the video shows that he hit the ferry.
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JamesTXSD
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| chromer wrote: | | That fellow should be required to broadcast Sécurité warnings every 15 minutes while underway on Ch 16 |
I'm thinking it would be best to put his boat on a tether... say about a foot, foot and a half. Use something solid so he can't "accidentally" cut the tether... ya know, while he's on the crapper.
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smckean (Tosca)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Do I have this right?
The small boat would the stand-on boat and the ferry would be the give-way boat since the small boat was to starboard, BUT the ferry is of sufficient tonnage that this normal rule doesn't apply; so in this case, the ferry had the right of way given its size. |
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Capn Jack
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Bigus goes firstus...  |
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starcrafttom
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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More to he point- you cant decide if you are the stand to or give way craft if the auto pilots is on and you are in the head taking a shit. Which is what happened as the so called captain admitted to.
Sorry but any other "laws of the seas " arguments are mute if the captain is not on the bridge. Should just be happy hes not dead and shut up. |
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olsurfdog
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Amen!
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hardee
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| starcrafttom wrote: | More to he point- you cant decide if you are the stand to or give way craft if the auto pilots is on and you are in the head taking a shit. Which is what happened as the so called captain admitted to.
Sorry but any other "laws of the seas " arguments are mute if the captain is not on the bridge. Should just be happy hes not dead and shut up. |
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thataway
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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$63,000 repair? Wonder who paid that bill. $63,000 is probably more that the boat is worth. I guess the boat's owner doesn't think he did anything wrong! I agree with those who hope the yard disabled the boat's engine. The ferry was assigned partly to blame--because they did not deviate course, and sound the danger signal (5 blasts) sooner. (We don't know for the video if they had sounded it previously.) I disagree with the assessment that the ferry didn't go full reverse until the moment of impact. I suspect that the boat was already starting to slow--and it takes quite some time for the ferry to both turn and stop.
No rational ferry skipper would think that a boat on autopilot with no lookout would cross right in front of a ferry....all boat driving becomes defensive. In fact it is. Collision should be avoided at all cost--no matter who is at "fault".
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JamesTXSD
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| Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, the "avoid collision" part of the Colregs. If you didn't avoid the collision, regardless of fault... well, you're still held to some degree of fault. I feel for the ferry captain - an idiot in another boat put that on his record.
Running anywhere in the Salish Sea, stepping away from the helm while making way is dangerous. Besides the boat traffic, the logs, debris, and deadheads are always out there. If he didn't have someone to be a lookout, it would have been much smarter to simply stop and go crap.
While working in the Tetons, a dumas in a rental canoe whacked one of our excursion boats. While it was tied to the dock. No damage to either boat. The manager (also a captain), jokingly said, "Is there anything you could have done to avoid the collision?" |
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smckean (Tosca)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Quoting myself here.....
| Quote: | | BUT since the ferry is of sufficient tonnage that this normal rule doesn't apply; so in this case, the ferry had the right of way given its size. |
Since I haven't seen a definitive answer to this question, I pulled out my Coast Guard rule book, and amazed myself to find that there is no rule that says something along the lines of: "Notwithstanding all other rules, a small vessel must avoid a really, really big vessel since big vessels are hard to maneuver"
Well, there is not such a rule per se.....and I've been operating as if there were for 40 years! There is a rule that is close, but it is not definitive. Rule 18Aii says:
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"A power driven vessel underway shall keep out of the way of: a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver" |
Close, but it does not say that a big ship is by definition "restricted in her ability to maneuver"; it could be any vessel that feels itself restricted; not only that, but also it would seem that it is debatable when a ship is "restricted in her ability to maneuver". For example, how far away from a freighter does my little CD25 have to be before that freighter could relatively easily avoid me if I were on a collision course to the freighter's starboard? I used to think the freighter always had the right-of-way, but it seems not. The freighter, being the give way vessel, is obligated to change speed or course to avoid me if I'm far enough away to give the freighter's skipper maneuvering room. I never knew I had so much power!! 
So it seems to me that if the skipper of the Nap Tyme had claimed he was on watch, but expected the ferry to move out of his way, the ferry would have been 100% at fault in this situation.
Amazing to me...... |
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