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WineAdvisor
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 4 City/Region: Burnt Store Marina, Punta Gorda
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunky Dory
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:16 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Steering Selection Advice Please: CD 22 w/90 Honda |
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I was just getting ready to install a Raymarine SmartPilot X-5, when I was told that they have all been recalled! And, there are, apparently, no other autopilots appropriate for mechanical systems?
Therefore, I am seeking recommendations for appropriate hydraulic steering for my 1993 Cruiser with a 90 horse Honda. Then, I'll get a compatible autopilot.
Please do not turn this into a discussion board about recalls, or obsolete systems. I simply want suggestions for hydraulic steering that is worthwhile and affordable. |
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akroyd
Joined: 24 Aug 2009 Posts: 44
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic Steering Selection Advice Please: CD 22 w/90 H |
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Please do not turn this into a discussion board about recalls, or obsolete systems. I simply want suggestions for hydraulic steering that is worthwhile and affordable.[/quote]
Thanks for taking the time to stop by. We needed someone to give orders. _________________ Never fry bacon when you're naked. |
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TyBoo
Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 5328 City/Region: Warrenton
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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I think if you're wanting to tap into it for an auto pilot then it is SeaStar steering without question. Last I heard the less expensive BayStar won't allow it.
When you order the hose sets with the steering be sure and let them know your plans. They might be able to make it easier for you. I bought my steering system online from Redden Marine in Bellingham. They are very helpful on the phone or email and I chose them initially because at the time they had the best price. Even easier would be to order the works through Les at EQ. He can make it easiest of all for you. _________________ TyBoo Mike
Sold: 1996 25' Cruise Ship
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WineAdvisor
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 4 City/Region: Burnt Store Marina, Punta Gorda
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Hunky Dory
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic Steering Selection Advice Please: CD 22 w/90 H |
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akroyd wrote: | [Thanks for taking the time to stop by. We needed someone to give orders. |
What, exactly, does your post contribute to this thread? |
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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WineAdvisor,
Welcome.
Sounds like you've been on a few Internet forums before. Quite a few forums are fairly impersonal, direct and to the point and one does best by tersely stating what one wants and doesn't want; and that's what everyone expects.
The tenor here is, for the most part, a bit more chummy and the majority of posts are fairly conversational, much the way we'd chat leaning up against the gunwale with a coupla beers. And some of us really like that forum manner and are put off with the terse, to the point thing. I think that's the point Akroyd was trying to make; out on a limb here... C-Brats might be a bit slower-paced and amiable than other forums, but we like it. Hope you do too.
I betcha someone here has some sage advice on your topic.
All the best... |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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SeaStar. Had one on a '95 Cruiser. Autopilot - Raymarine S-1000. Have both SeaStar and S-1000 on my TomCat.
Is that to the point enough for you? You'd better not read any more threads, we tend to stray a lot!
BTW, and I know you didn't ask about wine but, get the red stuff, a good year for me was "Tuesday"...
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
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Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
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Wandering Sagebrush
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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tomherrick wrote: | WineAdvisor,
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The tenor here is, for the most part, a bit more chummy and the majority of posts are fairly conversational, much the way we'd chat leaning up against the gunwale with a coupla beers. And some of us really like that forum manner and are put off with the terse, to the point thing. I think that's the point Akroyd was trying to make; out on a limb here... C-Brats might be a bit slower-paced and amiable than other forums, but we like it. Hope you do too.
I betcha someone here has some sage advice on your topic.
All the best... |
Tom, I found nothing at all wrong or unreasonable about the request from WineAdvisor, or for that matter his response to the comment about "giving orders". I did however think that akroyd was getting close to straying from the "just be nice" rule.
Just my two cents worth...
Steve _________________ "And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." - Abraham Lincoln |
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tomherrick Guest
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Everybody's different. You didn't have any problem with it. Akroyd may have. I don't care either way. Just thought I'd stick my foot in where it wasn't needed. I'll avoid it in future. |
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NORO LIM
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to try to avoid turning this into a discussion about how to request not turning it into a discussion about something other than what it's about ... or something.
Get Sea Star hydraulics. _________________ Bill, Formerly on NORO LIM
2001 CD 16, 2001-2006
2006 CC 23, 2006-2014 |
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Matt Gurnsey Dealer
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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You should be able to use the Bay Star system, and connect the hydraulic lines for the pilot at the back of the helm. _________________ Matt Gurnsey
Kitsap Marina
www.kitsapmarina.com
360-895-2193
(888) 293-7991 |
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sjboysen C-Dory Factory Representative
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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WineAdvisor,
Here is what I am currently installing on all new 22' Cruisers, all parts are Teleflex Inc and can be purchased directly from www.fisheriessupply.com:
1) 1.7 Rear Mount Helm model # HH5261
2) 22' Hydraulic hose kit # HO5122
I hope that this information is helpful and don't hesitate to give me a call at 360-393-3283 if you need more information.
Sincerely,
Scott |
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centerisland
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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The Teleflex Baystar kit may be exactly what you are looking for. Under $500 on EBAY, make sure it has the HC4645H cylinder.
The Baystar even allows you to fit a second helm station (per a response from Teleflex last week):
Quote: | Yes, the BayStar helm is fitted with a set of lock out valves, as well as a return port for the second helm. Suggest that you order the following parts for this
· HH4314, helm pump, 1 ea
· HF5502, add a station fitting kit, 1 ea
· HA5430, Oil, 1 ea
· HT5092, nylon tubing kit, 1 ea (this is a 25’ roll of cut to fit tube)
NOTE: You will require three lines from the lower to the upper station. If you feel that 25’ is not enough to complete this, order one of the following tubing kits instead;
· HT5095, 50’ roll
· HT5097, 75’ roll
· HT5100, 100’ roll |
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journey on
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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At the risk of being abrupt, why would you want a Raymarine SmartPilot X-5? That appears to be an autopilot for a sailboat with either tiller or wheel steering. How would you mount the wheel drive to the C-Dory steering?
Second, any autopilot with a hydraulic pump should be able to work with SeaStar steering. The autopilot hydraulic pump is merely in parallel with the hand steering pump, which contains a set of check valves. The check valves insure that pressure generated by the hand steering pump go the correct way. From reading centerisland above, it appears BayStar has the same check valve in it's steering pump.
Third, we do have a few people who give terse, concise answers. As has been pointed out above this upsets some people. Others insist on it. Your choice.
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Will-C
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:11 pm Post subject: Hydraulic Steering Selection Advice Please: CD 22 w/90 Honda |
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use sea star hydraulic steering and a Garmin auto pilot. Out _________________ Chevrolet The Heart Beat Of America |
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WineAdvisor
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 4 City/Region: Burnt Store Marina, Punta Gorda
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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journey on wrote: | At the risk of being abrupt, why would you want a Raymarine SmartPilot X-5? That appears to be an autopilot for a sailboat with either tiller or wheel steering. How would you mount the wheel drive to the C-Dory steering? |
According to the manufacturer, the X-5 is a "modular autopilot system for manual cable steered power boats with laden displacements of up to 4400 lbs". The section in quotes is directly from the Raymarine website. |
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