New C-Dory 29'

JonS · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: New C-Dory 29'

Hi

Does anyone know about this?

Is it production or custom?

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&id=1749412&lang=en&slim=broker&&hosturl=riversidemarina&&ywo=riversidemarina&

JamesTXSD · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject:

It's coming... the incomplete vessel (still needed interior) was at the Bellingham C-Brat Gathering. Check the photos in that folder to see a shot of it. Certainly a different hull form from what we're used to - deeper-V. BIG.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

JonS · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject:

Thanks Jim.

It looks good for the West Coast.

I noticed the one for sale is an inboard.

Is it also expected to available for outboard power?

Also, any idea when C-Dory will make these available?

JamesTXSD · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject:

I sure can't speak for the factory folks - drop them a note. I would think a person would want an inboard diesel with a boat that size (well, I sure would). The question about outboards was asked while we were aboard (not by me); you could hang a bracket (well, somebody could Wink

), but that would certainly be a LOT of weight off that aft end. Did I mention it was BIG?

It appears that there is a lot of work to go before this boat is finished. The factory folks brought it up on a triple axle trailer (wide load)... other than the fact that it looks like a C-Dory on steroids, I don't think this is going to be the same type of boat we're used to.

Best wishes,
Jim B.

thataway · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject:

See:
http://www.c-brats.com/viewtopic.php?t=5154&highlight=

It will be interesting to see how the boat performs.

Doryman · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject:

The factory guy toldme that if you want outboards they will put a bracket on the hull like on the Tom Cat. If they did that, you would have an absolutely enormous storage area under the cockpit sole.

He also said they "might" be working on a larger Tom Cat. I think he said that to get rid of me, though. Mr. Green

Warren

JonS · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject:

I guess it would not be so unusual to have o/b on a boat of this size. Larger Grady White etc. are often configured this way. Also that storage really would add to the cruising capacity of the boat. This looks like a really exciting boat. I am still confused as to how it sleeps 6 though (as published by C-Dory). I can only see the forward berth and convertible table.

thataway · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:35 pm Post subject:

The sleeping 6 is by having a "coffin" bunk under the dinette--this is similar to what is in the C Ranger 24. It is a technique used by many boat builders for a long time in boats from 26 to 35 feet. Some of these bunks are adequate in size, others are tight. Few of them are for the clostophobic. The problem is when the inside person needs to get out of the bunk. Many of these bunks end up being used for storage space.

I personally would find 6 on a 29 foot boat too many for "comfort" .

But one could have a perment bunk for a child or two, plus leaving the dinette "up".

There are boats up two 36 feet which use outboards--often 3 300 hp engines.

The drawings show a tunnel drive.--not sure if that is what is being done or not. It will be interesting to see how this performs. The tunnel is usually to decrease draft. Pen Yan, Sea Ray, Shamrock have all used tunnel drives at one time or another.

oldgrowth · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:34 am Post subject:

I took these photos at the Bellingham CBGT.
Click on the thumb nail for a larger view.

As Jim (Wild Blue) said “It is BIG”

________
Dave

colobear · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:16 am Post subject:

Patti and I had a chance to get on the 29' at Bellingham and were both, shall we say, underwhelmed. It'll be the first C-dory that is not trailerable (just "transportable"). The factory guys had to leave early because one needs a special permit to transport this wide load vehicle and they had to be off the roads before dark. So...a 29 owner will be keeping that plump boat in the water wherever they are located. No Lake Powell adventures for them I guess, but then Lake Powell wouldn't be the same without being able to go up all the little fingers anyway. Ah well, they can always moor out with the houseboats.

I wonder what market they are hoping to penetrate with this boat? Seems to me they are trying to go up against Bayliners, etc. without having the boat jewelry, fit and finish, and so on. I guess their market research showed a gap in the 29'-32' not-a-trawler-not-a-bayliner market. Must be the same market research that showed a gap in the 22' center console boat market not already filled by Boston Whaler, Grady-White, Blue Wave, Cape Craft, Baja, Albemarle, Cobia, Contender, etc., etc.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.

flagold · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:49 am Post subject:

We shall see. The Peter Principle of C-Dory may have been attained, or this is the most brilliant thing to come along. I would much rather see C-Dory resurect something like the old Nordic 26 (which is shallow draft and has a livable layout) than the present offering, but that's different strokes.

Luna C · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:51 am Post subject:

Thanks for posting the pictures - WOW, that is one huge boat! I have a question one of you can probably answer: What makes a boat a C-Dory - is it the cute lines of the cabin or the flat bottom hull? Or both? And can a 27 foot boat have a dory hull? Or is there some length of boat that means a deeper V is needed?

As you can probably guess, this is the Janet half of....

Sneaks · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:22 am Post subject:

I saw the new '29 post Bellingham when I stopped by the factory on the way to SeaTac. Yes, it's the only one in existence, yes it's big, the ads by dealerships is more like overexuberant hyperbole than realistic. There's not a whole lot of room for more than two factory guys working at once on the interior, and C-Dory isn't a 24 hour operation yet. Everything at this point is one-off and that depends on outsourced parts availability. Methinks it's gonna be quite a while before they actually deliver hull #1.

The hull in this form is suitable for a single Yanmar and a bow thruster. Twin diesels and/or outboards could be fitted but they definitely wouldn't be stylistic or practical given the same "tunnel drive" plug they use to form the hull. At least from my uneducated eye.

The only real issue that jumped out at me was the bow thruster itself. Even a factory guy commented that replacing it could be a nightmare. What are the reliability/maintenance issues on a bow thruster in a boat that obviously would be in seawater 90% of the time? That goes for the C-Rangers as well, though I think fewer Rangers will be marina docked.

Anybody really familiar with bow thrusters in the long term? I'd love to hear comments. My bow thruster is like Bill's on the Halcyon but Mary gets tired of crawling up on the bow and fending off disaster....

Don

drjohn71a · Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:48 am Post subject:

Don - Bowthrusters have been used on huge craft which remain in saltwater for decades. I guess the "nightmare" has to do with how it is installed. the big ones are installed in a heavy duty "tunnel" and you just remove the drive or the prop. Some drives are inside the hull.

Dave - thanks for the photos. It does look huge and very tall. The most striking thing to me is the position of the upward tilted steering wheel relative the the driver's knees/crotch area. It looks to me like you'd have to bend over, reaching below 'butt' level while seated, in order grab that wheel. I wonder what type of ergonometric study has resulted in that arrangement?

The roominess is inviting, though I'd hate to be restricted on moving the boat due to the width.

Thanks for all the info!
John

tom&shan · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 316 Photos: Dakota

I'm sorry but that is NOT A C-DORY.
How many of you would be here if that was your first introduction to C-Dorys?

Signed - a 19' Angler Owner - who likes the affordable, dependable, seaworthy, trailerable, Pacific NW styled, customizable, economical, REAL C-DORYS.