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MikeR



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brock, congratulations, by the smile on your face it looks like the long wait was worth it! It was great to see you at James island on Saturday...I'll get some of those running shots added soon...the boat looks great! Enjoy your maiden voyage and cruise north!

-Mike

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Anderson wrote:
Now Brock COULD go fast if he wanted to, but my money is down on his going the same old usual Catman very comfortable cruising speed! What he has now is a bit more room and better sleeping arrangement (you had to have seen how he slept on Bambina to understand this!).


On speed, why is it most people know, almost exactly, how fast their boat goes
at WOT and when asked how fast their automobile goes, they probably say,
"I have no idea"?

Aye.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy wrote:
Pat Anderson wrote:
Now Brock COULD go fast if he wanted to, but my money is down on his going the same old usual Catman very comfortable cruising speed! What he has now is a bit more room and better sleeping arrangement (you had to have seen how he slept on Bambina to understand this!).


On speed, why is it most people know, almost exactly, how fast their boat goes
at WOT and when asked how fast their automobile goes, they probably say,
"I have no idea"?

Aye.


Speed limits.


Foggy, Most of us drive where there are speed limits on the roads. Probably most of us also run our boats where there is no speed limit on the water.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hardee wrote:

Foggy, Most of us drive where there are speed limits on the roads. Probably most of us also run our boats where there is no speed limit on the water.


Most of us also have boats that only go 20-40 mph tops. This is well within the driving capability of the average operator, so you can go to the limit and be comfortable driving it there.

Even if you weren't limited by speed limits, traffic, obstacles, etc., the average car will go quite a bit faster than most people can handle it. So even if you had the opportunity (say at a track or a straight road in the middle of nowhere), you're more likely to scare yourself into quitting the attempt (or lose control) before you actually find out the top speed of your car.

The average car can also go faster than it's ability to stay in the road, although a similar thing can happen to a lot of boats.

To go 100mph in a boat takes a special design and/or lots and lots of HP. Pretty much any car can do it on about 90 hp.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat Anderson wrote:
Now Brock COULD go fast if he wanted to, but my money is down on his going the same old usual Catman very comfortable cruising speed! What he has now is a bit more room and better sleeping arrangement (you had to have seen how he slept on Bambina to understand this!).


Perhaps with the new boat comes a new Catman. Here's a photo from Saturday of Brock racing a Washington State Ferry with his new Honda 150! And another of Brock and his buddy Mark at James Island, early in their shakedown cruise on Saturday. More photos in my album



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Foggy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On speed, my question concerns the 'knowledge', or lack of knowing, the WOT
speed of your boat but not your land based vehicle as opposed to the 'practice'
of obeying speed limits, where to put the hammer down, etc.

I do have acquaintances (non boaters, please forgive me...) who do know the top
speed of their road machines and which one would get the prize whether on 2, 3,
4 or more tires.

Just finding this curious.

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Einstein said, "Speed changes things."
Grandpa said, "First control then speed."
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brock, Congratulation! I don't think that I have ever met a boater who values the journey as much as you do. Journey on!

Looking forward to seeing you on the water.

Robbi

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To determine if the prop is correct, a boat needs to be run up to wide open throttle and the RPMs noted. If the prop is correct, the motor will reach the wide open throttle range specified by the manufacturer.

It's easy enough to also note the top speed.

None of that is needed for cars as the 'gearing' is fixed by the manufacturer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brock,
Congratulations on your new 23, it's beautiful. I look forward to seeing you on the water.
Lyle

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brock,
Congrats on the new (much larger) boat. I'm guessing you already have a name for it but if not, I thought "Catman Deux" would be a good choice.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although we've never met, I do know the 23 Venture well. You've purchased a great boat, so congratulations.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My IRA wrote:
Although we've never met, I do know the 23 Venture well. You've purchased a great boat, so congratulations.


If you ever do meet Brock, you are in for a treat! Catman is the real deal! And it really IS true, Brock is all about the journey, not the destination!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogerbum wrote:
Brock,
Congrats on the new (much larger) boat. I'm guessing you already have a name for it but if not, I thought "Catman Deux" would be a good choice.


Good on Roger. I like that, and I bet Brock will too, but obviously, he will name his boat.

Brock, Again, congrats, and enjoy the journey. I know you are out on the water, so hope we meet up somewhere along the way.

Harvey
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, you guys, I'm just overwhelmed by the kind comments written about my new boat. And about me. You know the movie "It's a Wonderful Life"? Yeah, the one we've seen every Christmas for a half-century. Well, besides the scene where Jimmy Stewart's on the phone at Donna Reed's house, and Stewart and Reed realize they rather like one another--much to mom's displeasure--this group's support reminds me of my other favorite scene at the end when the whole town showed up to offer friendship and support and money and everybody lived happily ever after.

Corny and long-winded, nevertheless, that scene came to mind when MikeR told me last weekend that Joe started a thread about my new boat. Joe and Ruth, Al and Karen, how nice of you to come to Twin Bridges and offer support the morning I launched. It was so special to see the four of you together, and to go aboard and hear your comments and suggestions. But to take the time to come see me that morning was a gift I'll long remember.

And Peter, thank you for capturing Inaugural Splashdown with those really cool series of photos. It was so nice of you to see me off the way you did. But to wait all week at the dock for my return, now that's a friendship money can't buy.

SoBelle, she does kinda look like a 16' in some photos. I think that's one of the things that attracted me to this boat. She's like Bambina on steroids. And Pat coyly let the cat out of the (sleeping) bag when he inferred my previous sleeping arrangements were less than 5-Star accommodations. In this boat my feet don't stick out the cuddy entrance and rest on a container. There's just a bunch o' room everywhere, and now I see what I've been missing. My gawd, a refrigerator! A table to sit, write and eat on. And a Wallas Nordic Dt. What a little sweetheart that is. And overhead lights that don't draw much power. Heat, sink/water, a door, oodles of storage, a dinghy on top, and I've just left the 80's and walked into 2017.

Roger, dam, that is a good name. Catman Deux. That really is clever. MikeR, thanks again for taking the time to post those photos. I spend minutes staring at them and thinking about the circumstances. The week in the San Juans with my high school buddy Mark was just so much fun. The two 60 year-olds were tons more comfortable than on big-hearted Bambina. With 150 H.P. on a boat built to get after it, I do want to say I wasn't quite racing that ferry. Really, officer. That photo was taken at or near full speed during that phase of the break-in, and I spotted some softer water. The ferry headed north to Upright Head as I veered south.

The boat is an absolute joy to pilot. It lifts off from an easy and comfortable 7.5 knots, 2,000 RPM, to 4,000 in seconds. That yields 19-22 MPH depending on tide, and it'll run comfortably at 25 mph, though I still need to slow for inhospitable wakes and waves. I ran 158 miles on 19.5 engine hours, burned about 43 gallons, for about 3.6 MPG. That was a mixture of speeds, with and against some strong minus tides. I could get just 5,100 RPM tops, the low end of the 5-6,000 range. I'm propped at 14.5x19, top speed 35 MPH.

That little jingle means not that I'm getting my wings, but that my 15 minutes of fame is complete. Again, everyone, thanks for your supportive comments, and I look forward to seeing many of you this summer.
Brock
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: cc23 Reply with quote

We have hull number 3 of Cape Cruiser Venture .What a Great boat . You might want to change that prop to a 15 by 17 pitch would bring your motor up to 5500 rpm and maybe give you more grunt out of the hole and probably the same top speed

We have the Merc 115 CT with a 15 by 17 pitch we get a little over 4 smpg and about 32mph on smooth water .

Good Luck with your Venture Jim

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