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smckean (Tosca)



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Shrimp pots - must buy tomorrow - Mackey or Ladner????? Reply with quote

My schedule is a bit crazy, but suffice it to say that I need to buy my shrimp pots tomorrow to be ready for the May 6 opening in the San Juan Islands, Washington.

I was all set to buy Mackay type pots; but then I ran into a friend of mine in Anacortes. He does a lot of fishing and has local knowledge. He said absolutely NOT!!!!! Buy the Ladners instead, he says. I had been told previously by others that the Mackays fish better than Ladners, but my buddy's retort was that one only sees Ladners on the commercial boats....."do you think that would be if Mackays fish better?" he exclaimed! Good point (altho I guess I could explain the Ladners on commercial boat since the Ladners stack so well).

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! My boat is at Cap Sante Marine right now having the pot puller installed (among other things), and I don't want to take out my newly-outfitted-for-shrimp CD25 and regret that I bought the wrong pots!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your buddy is 100% right. That was my experience as well. I bought a set of 4 ladners, the shrimp were escaping through the netting while bringing them to the surface. I could literally see the last few fall through as I pulled the pot the last 10 feet to the boat. I sold them at a loss after 2 trips and bought the McKay style pots. I added rebar to the bottom to get them to stay put, but the pots came up packed full of shrimp.

If your using a slow pot puller like a Ace it may not be as noticeable, but if you have something better, like a safe-T puller or Honda powered machine, the difference is not just a minor thing.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sorry I re-read your email. my mistake. I still stand by what I said though. The stackable pots with netting lost a lot more spot shrimp in my experience then the metal pots.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If your using a slow pot puller like a Ace....


PaulNBriannaLynn,

Thanks for your input. Very helpful. I hadn't thought of the shrimp getting out given the flexible netting. (BTW, I did figure out what you meant Smile)

I am installing a ACE Max Torque with the Bulldog self-tailer.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used commercial pots from Dungeness Gear Works Inc in Everett for years. You can buy them if you just walk in the door and ask. They are heavy (30+ lbs) and well made.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

localboy,

Are those MacKay type or Ladner type? I presume you have a preference.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulNBriannaLynn,

I just noticed that you are in Georgia; so I assume you fish for shrimp in the Gulf. Perhaps your shrimp are smaller than what we up here in the Northwest call "spot shrimp" or "spot prawns".

Our spot shrimp are typically 6" or 8" (even more sometimes) with the head on. They typically weigh about 10 to the pound. Perhaps our spot shrimp are larger and therefore less likely to fall out the holes in the net????
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with McKay pots. Add weight if you're fishing the San Juans.

You don't see McKay pots on commercial boats, perhaps, because McKay doesn't build the volume of pots to support a commercial fleet, or they don't want/need that scope of business. I fish out of Westport all summer where there are thousands of commercial crab pots. If Ladner-style were all that and a bag of chips, wouldn't crab pots be similar? Instead, they all look like McKay's on steroids.

The whole argument about one style of pot out-fishing another is BS. People give far too much credit to the stylistic preference of a shrimp. It's about bait and location. I'm sure people have all kinds of anecdotal evidence of Ladners out-fishing McKays, but I have equal evidence with my McKays to refute.

I believe the most important style characteristic regardless of brand is a wide entry ramp. If you drop your pot into a big cloud of shrimp, you want a wide entry way for them to all get in quickly before being distracted by someone else's scent trail.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C-Dawg,

WOW........I'm taking that to the bank!

Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been shrimping for about 12 years and I started Mackay style pots. I've also used folding pots and Ladner pots. All of them catch shrimp if baited properly and set in the right spots. I prefer the Ladner style as they stack on the boat in a much smaller footprint and if you buy the weighted ones, they are heavy enough. Since shrimping is generally done in pretty deep water (200-350') for spot prawns, weighted pots is critical. 400' of poly line add a lot of drag in current and you want the pot to stay in place without line vibrations getting into the pot. A decent weight on the line about 15' from the pot helps a lot with that.

I get my Ladner style pots at LFS in Seattle or Bellingham.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smckean (Tosca) wrote:
PaulNBriannaLynn,

I just noticed that you are in Georgia; so I assume you fish for shrimp in the Gulf. Perhaps your shrimp are smaller than what we up here in the Northwest call "spot shrimp" or "spot prawns".

Our spot shrimp are typically 6" or 8" (even more sometimes) with the head on. They typically weigh about 10 to the pound. Perhaps our spot shrimp are larger and therefore less likely to fall out the holes in the net????


Tosca I grew up there and spent my whole life fishing the san juans and Puget sound until a little less than a year ago. I still don't have this Georgia fishing figured out, but I killed a million of those san juan shrimp!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are those MacKay type or Ladner type? I presume you have a preference.


They are closer to Ladner type: arced steel frames/ covered in plastic, with netting (loop) that releases at the bottom. This allows the catch to easily be recovered and also allows the pots to be stacked on/in one another, when the netting is opened/slack. I tried to find a pic, but couldn't. They are also weighted themselves and no additional weight is required. I believe they weigh around 30#.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

localboy wrote:
Quote:
Are those MacKay type or Ladner type? I presume you have a preference.


They are closer to Ladner type: arced steel frames/ covered in plastic, with netting (loop) that releases at the bottom. This allows the catch to easily be recovered and also allows the pots to be stacked on/in one another, when the netting is opened/slack. I tried to find a pic, but couldn't. They are also weighted themselves and no additional weight is required. I believe they weigh around 30#.

Here's a link to the LFS site with a picture.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for the input.

It seems there is plenty of support for both types of shrimp pots, so my decision isn't going to be as easy as I had hoped. I'm leaning toward the MacKay type. We'll see what I end up buying today at the store.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have used the ladner pots for years and I would say that the ability to nest them in the cockpit is essential for the space in a C-Dory
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