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Salmon Fisher
Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 809 City/Region: Arlington
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Kim Christine
Photos: Kim Christine
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:57 am Post subject: |
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I've thought about converting over to oil bath on my C-Dory trailer. I just read several reviews on the amazon kodiak oil bath conversion and the same kit on etrailer and people are complaining about oil leaking from the inner seal.
I think the oil bath EZ loader kit is better. I ordered replacement seals for my Ranger Tug trailer and talked to a tech in the parts department. He talked me through the process.
The important thing to make sure no leaks, he said, was to use some red RTV sealant on the surface where the seal goes into the hub, on the threads of screw on cap and on threaded filler plug that screws into outer part of hub.
So far, so good on that trailer and a whole lot easier and cleaner to do periodic maintenance. I also really like the ability to see the oil. On one of the hubs, I noticed milky looking oil and that caused me to change it out. _________________ Patrick and Kim Walker
2004 25 Cruiser-Present
2000 22 Cruiser 2009-2014 (Sold)
2006 25 Cruiser 2014-2019 (Sold)
1985 22 Classic -2019 (Sold)
1991 19 Arima Sea Ranger-2019-2021 (Sold)
2015 27 Ranger Tug-2019-2023 (Sold)
1987 22 Cruiser -2021-2023 (Sold)
Honey, this REALLY will be my last boat, honest! |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4546 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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The pressed in hubs are a tight fit. I’ve never had one come off. And to remove it to remove a wheel or bearing you have to gently knock around it with a hammer while also prying on it. The only time I lost oil was in the parking lot at Bullfrog on Lake Powell when someone must have gotten their trailer to close to mine and broke the plastic cap off. I carried spares! Colby |
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drbridge
Joined: 25 Jun 2014 Posts: 218 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Susan Marie
Photos: Susan Marie
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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colbysmith wrote: | The pressed in hubs are a tight fit. I’ve never had one come off. And to remove it to remove a wheel or bearing you have to gently knock around it with a hammer while also prying on it. The only time I lost oil was in the parking lot at Bullfrog on Lake Powell when someone must have gotten their trailer to close to mine and broke the plastic cap off. I carried spares! Colby |
Colby
Have you removed the press in caps for maintenance since you installed them? I am just wondering how hard or easy they are to get off without damage. The bearing buddys work the same as far as installation and removal. I have found that sometimes I have really had to get brutal with them to get them off. this can cause some dings to the stainless steel bearing buddy and if it looks bad I will usually replace it.
With the softer Aluminum Billet Kodiak oil bath cap I would be concerned that it might get dinged during removal causing the threads for the plastic cap to be untrue.
The one time I lost a brand new bearing buddy, I was in shock. I had to beat that thing on so hard I figured I would destroy it if I had to remove it. Then it fell off 20 miles later. I put on another one and it has been fine ever since. The other three I had no problem with. I have also done this many times before with no problem. I still haven't figured that one out. _________________ Doug & Susan |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4546 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve dinged a few, but just cosmetic. Using a rubber or wood mallet works better than a metal hammer. And being gentle with the screwdriver used for prying. I’ve also used a larger pliers with rag wrapped around the oil hub body. Colby |
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DayBreak
Joined: 16 Jul 2017 Posts: 846 City/Region: Monmouth, Or.
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2018
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: DayBreak
Photos: DayBreak
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have never had a trailer with oil bath hubs, until now, but have known about them for years.
We have been satisfied in using a previous boat trailer that had bearing buddies installed. The only problem in using bearing buddies is the constant grease splatter that builds up over time on the outside and inside of the trailer wheel.
Our two current boat trailers have oil bath hubs and we are very satisfied with the use of them. If you put a lot of miles on your trailer, consider going with oil bath hubs. The condition of and the level of the oil in the unit is easy to observe because of the sight glass window on the outside of the hub. _________________ Gary F
DayBreak, 23 Venture, 2018 - present |
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3595 City/Region: Valley Centre
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: journey on
Photos: Journey On
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to remove the pressed in oil bearing adapters, take the hub to a auto machine shop. They have (or should have) an expanding tool that will fit inside the pressed in adapter and will yank that sucker right out.
If one beats it off with a hammer, there's risk of damaging the aluminum: dings, gouges, flat spots, etc.
Boris |
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1134 City/Region: Soldotna
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: JMR TOO
Photos: JMR-TOO
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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T.R. Bauer wrote: | I have had more trouble with trailer bearings than I deserve. I heard you had to change out the hub to run oil bath because the outer cap is threaded. True? |
False.
The Kodiak kit that I installed 10 years ago has worked perfect. The kit comes with an alu. press fit hub cap with a threaded outer end that a semi clear cap (with "o" ring) screws on to. I went from having to pack bearings every year to checking out of guilt every 2 yrs. Oil bath hubs have been in use in the trucking/equipment industry for 100 yrs. or so.
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1134 City/Region: Soldotna
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: JMR TOO
Photos: JMR-TOO
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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journey on wrote: | If you want to remove the pressed in oil bearing adapters, take the hub to a auto machine shop. They have (or should have) an expanding tool that will fit inside the pressed in adapter and will yank that sucker right out.
If one beats it off with a hammer, there's risk of damaging the aluminum: dings, gouges, flat spots, etc.
Boris |
Use smaller monkey & smaller hammer. |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1726 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Whisperer
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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tsturm wrote: | T.R. Bauer wrote: | I have had more trouble with trailer bearings than I deserve. I heard you had to change out the hub to run oil bath because the outer cap is threaded. True? |
False.
The Kodiak kit that I installed 10 years ago has worked perfect. The kit comes with an alu. press fit hub cap with a threaded outer end that a semi clear cap (with "o" ring) screws on to. I went from having to pack bearings every year to checking out of guilt every 2 yrs. Oil bath hubs have been in use in the trucking/equipment industry for 100 yrs. or so.
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I'm interested and sold! The only that has stopped me is changing out hubs. So, Amazon? 6 Robbers? Trailercraft? White Spruce? |
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4546 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Amazon. Two sizes. The smaller one fits 5 lug and the larger fits 6 lug. Generally. The included seal may or may not fit and that’s the most important part. I can look later at what size fit my Ez Loader under Midnight Flyer. But it’s the original rubber coated seal that came on the trailer. The kit seal is too big and that’s why some of the negative reviews. Colby |
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1134 City/Region: Soldotna
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: JMR TOO
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 am Post subject: |
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I'm interested and sold! The only that has stopped me is changing out hubs. So, Amazon? 6 Robbers? Trailercraft? White Spruce?[/quote]
Six States / Robbers, I use permatex anaerobic sealer on the alu. cap to hub joint (just to make it harder to remove) You don't need the Kodiak oil the second time any 80-90 gear oil is fine. Take a set of dial calipers and measure YOUR spindles as there is 2 seal choices (same o.d. different i.d.) Go to your favorite Hyd. store and get a few extra cap "O" rings. |
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journey on
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3595 City/Region: Valley Centre
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: journey on
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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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I did a Google search for the Kodiak hubs I needed, with part number. Picked the cheapest, some place on e-bay. Arrived from Florida in a couple of days. Free delivery, no state tax. Fit perfectly.
One might ask for an extra layer of wrap; mine arrived with no dings, but some holes in the wrap.
I also changed out the brake lines, since they were corroded. Used stainless steel tubes from a local tube shop. They replicated all the solid lines as well as the flexible hoses.
Boris |
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