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swf
Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Posts: 11 City/Region: Gulf Islands Canada
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:32 pm Post subject: Honda BF40 lower unit gear case crack |
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Hi all,
I have a pair of Honda 40’s. They have roughly 400 and 250 hours respectively (Stbd motor used for salmon trolling, hence the difference). The boat is a 2002 and I think the motors are also. They start and run perfectly. I have been happily using the boat since our purchase earlier this Spring. However, while at anchor after a recent trip across the Strait of Georgia, I noticed that both motors have a crack in the lower unit gear case forward of the propeller. I have read on other forums that this may be a well known Honda problem perhaps related to corrosion emanating from a lower bearing retainer nut.
My questions are two fold. Do I need to have the lower units replaced by perhaps just buying a new gear case and swapping out the innards, or can this sort of crack be welded? Second and more pressing issue is, can I run the motors safely for now, or am I on the edge of ending up with two defunct engines 10 miles from land at any moment? I would really like not to have the boat out of service for the rest of the summer. Anyone else had this issue? I have no idea how the cracks developed but understand from Mr. Google that I am not alone.
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BrentB
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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m2cw I would look for an experienced repair welder
awful engineering _________________ Brent Barrett |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20778 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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I am aware of repairs having been made for this problem. Be sure that the prop shaft/bearings are still aligned, after the heat of the welding. I would think that it would be safer to take the lower unit off the engine for welding--no chance of damage to the engine electronics/computer/charging output.
J B weld has been used as at least a temporary repair. In any case the crack has to be ground put properly. _________________ Bob Austin
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1134 City/Region: Soldotna
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Honda BF40 lower unit gear case crack |
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swf wrote: | Hi all,
I have a pair of Honda 40’s. They have roughly 400 and 250 hours respectively (Stbd motor used for salmon trolling, hence the difference). The boat is a 2002 and I think the motors are also. They start and run perfectly. I have been happily using the boat since our purchase earlier this Spring. However, while at anchor after a recent trip across the Strait of Georgia, I noticed that both motors have a crack in the lower unit gear case forward of the propeller. I have read on other forums that this may be a well known Honda problem perhaps related to corrosion emanating from a lower bearing retainer nut.
My questions are two fold. Do I need to have the lower units replaced by perhaps just buying a new gear case and swapping out the innards, or can this sort of crack be welded? Second and more pressing issue is, can I run the motors safely for now, or am I on the edge of ending up with two defunct engines 10 miles from land at any moment? I would really like not to have the boat out of service for the rest of the summer. Anyone else had this issue? I have no idea how the cracks developed but understand from Mr. Google that I am not alone.
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An aluminum casting is porous and laced with pockets of impurities & tough to weld when new. Add some salt corrosion
and a little gear oil, the labor to grind, clean & weld will possibly be a wash with the cost of a new housing. I just spent 2, 10 hr days tig welding a 6" crack in my Suzuki anti cav plate. (caused by some don driving SOB in the harbor) Good luck on your repair & let us know how it turns out.
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1726 City/Region: Wasilla
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with the posting above. Yes it can be done. Even still, I am a very proficient TIG welder and opted not to even try the repair when mine cracked years ago. While the lower units are expensive, they are not that expensive. |
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tsturm
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 1134 City/Region: Soldotna
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Honda BF40 lower unit gear case crack |
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tsturm wrote: | swf wrote: | Hi all,
I have a pair of Honda 40’s. They have roughly 400 and 250 hours respectively (Stbd motor used for salmon trolling, hence the difference). The boat is a 2002 and I think the motors are also. They start and run perfectly. I have been happily using the boat since our purchase earlier this Spring. However, while at anchor after a recent trip across the Strait of Georgia, I noticed that both motors have a crack in the lower unit gear case forward of the propeller. I have read on other forums that this may be a well known Honda problem perhaps related to corrosion emanating from a lower bearing retainer nut.
My questions are two fold. Do I need to have the lower units replaced by perhaps just buying a new gear case and swapping out the innards, or can this sort of crack be welded? Second and more pressing issue is, can I run the motors safely for now, or am I on the edge of ending up with two defunct engines 10 miles from land at any moment? I would really like not to have the boat out of service for the rest of the summer. Anyone else had this issue? I have no idea how the cracks developed but understand from Mr. Google that I am not alone.
Thanks |
An aluminum casting is porous and laced with pockets of impurities & tough to weld when new. Add some salt corrosion
and a little gear oil, the labor to grind, clean & weld will possibly be a wash with the cost of a new housing. I just spent 2, 10 hr days tig welding a 6" crack in my Suzuki anti cav plate. (caused by some don driving SOB in the harbor) Good luck on your repair & let us know how it turns out.
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Should read Non Driving SOB |
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swf
Joined: 08 Mar 2016 Posts: 11 City/Region: Gulf Islands Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the advice. I have opted to buy new lower units and not weld the cracks, or use JB weld. |
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