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gulfcoast john
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 989 City/Region: PENSACOLA
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C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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We had a fellow boater hit the prop while we were docked and he bent the tip of one blade about 40 degrees. He owned up to it and left a msg at the marina.
We pulled the boat out and I changed out both props to a 19 pitch with our spares in 110 degree sunshine heat. Pretty miserable conditions.
John _________________ John and Eileen Highsmith
2010 Tom Cat 255, Cat O' Mine
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colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4547 City/Region: Madison
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:23 am Post subject: |
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John, how does one hit the prop on another boat? And hard enough to bend it? At least without hitting some other part of the boat? Colby |
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ssobol
Joined: 27 Oct 2012 Posts: 3373 City/Region: SW Michigan
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Motor tilted up sticks the prop way out the back. Motor left in gear keeps the prop from spinning out of the way when hit.
Just speculating.
But yeah, having a significant bend in the prop without any other damage sounds unusual. I would be checking the motor and engine mount closely. |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:05 am Post subject: |
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John was that an aluminum prop? If it was SS, it would have taken a hard strike. Aluminum,, not so much. _________________ Bob Austin
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Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
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gulfcoast john
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 989 City/Region: PENSACOLA
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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There was a lurking submerged submarine marauding around the marina, which Colby SHOULD have been able to figure out on his own.
Nah. Sobelle is closer, although the engines were in neutral and the prop was free to spin, it had no reason to with a direct hit to the blade tip.
I still favor cheap aluminum props for us. We beach anchor in 2 feet of water and grind around in the sand a good bit. A huge hunk of SS prop hanging off an aluminum outdrive is a galvanic corrosion accident waiting to happen. When I hit something, I tear up a cheap prop, not the propshaft or worse. I may lose 3-4 MPH at 6K RPM WOT, but that’s burning 31GPH (at $3.20/gal) vs 13 GPH at 3,000-4,000 cruise so we very rarely do it. It’s dirt cheap to repair or replace when I tear through something substantial, like, say, an extra large submerged Styrofoam cup, or a really big twig, or someone’s abandoned pool noodle.
The Prop Shop guy says to repair this will be $60. I asked him how much to bend the other 3 blades to match the 4th, and he said (no surprise) $180. The gouge in Chris’s boat (above the waterline) will no doubt cost more to fix. A brand new prop with free shipping is $110 or less.
Yesterday we puttered over to the Ft McCree cove with no vibration or surprises, but I didn’t get up to cruise because I’m confident this encounter would not damage the engine. We’ll find out for sure tomorrow when we start a Gulf Islands adventure cruise to Biloxi and Gulfport.
Get on the boat!
John |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | A huge hunk of SS prop hanging off an aluminum outdrive is a galvanic corrosion accident waiting to happen. When I hit something, I tear up a cheap prop, not the propshaft or worse. I may lose 3-4 MPH at 6K RPM WOT, but that’s burning 31GPH (at $3.20/gal) vs 13 GPH at 3,000-4,000 cruise so we very |
Better get rid of that SS prop shaft and the bronze castle nut and various washers and thrust bearings etc.
I suppose on the other hand if the lower units were in the water, they would not have been struck--might have been a $2000 cowling, or the props would have fallen off because of the corrosion.....
There are arguments for aluminum props, but I would not put galvanic corrosion high on that list. |
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gulfcoast john
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 989 City/Region: PENSACOLA
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Bob,
Great points as always!
Did I miss any other advantages of dirt cheap aluminum props?
Cheers!,
John |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Other reasons for aluminum props. Cheap so you can have a spare in the correct pitch for your usual use, for elevations 3500 feet (Lake Powell) and 7000 feet Yellowstone). You can have a "power prop" when the boat is over loaded.
Probably most important, is that you can use a ball peen hammer and a block of 2x4, and hammer out dings enough to get. you home... if a strike in a remote area. I believe already mentioned is a file to clean up nicks and dings in the edge. Also the aluminum prop will fail after a direct strike, and may save the gear box in the lower unit...a SS might not and more chance of gear failure (although the hub shouldabsorb the shock--it often does not... |
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ssobol
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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I stick to AL props. They periodically get dressed with a file. About every other year or so (depending on the condition of the prop) I just get a new one and keep the n-1 prop as an onboard spare. |
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smckean (Tosca)
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I've often wondered whether a SS prop might be desirable at its much higher cost if you boat in an area that has lots of kelp tubular stems floating around. Lord knows I fairly often slice right thru some of those. _________________ Sandy McKean
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20810 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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smckean (Tosca) wrote: | I've often wondered whether a SS prop might be desirable at its much higher cost if you boat in an area that has lots of kelp tubular stems floating around. Lord knows I fairly often slice right thru some of those. |
That is a good question-and I don't have the answer, but I have had as much problem with water flow with heavy grass or kelp, as getting thru it. I have had a fin keel sail boat stopped dead in their tracks at night when running into a floating bed of kelp in the Catalina Channel.
I have hit some fairly good size branches with the SS props and no damage. No rocks yet...But in dinghy's I have hit rocks with aluminum props, which caused significant damage--one episode destroyed the gear case. (12 1/2' RIB in AK, free standing rock, just under the surface...hit at planing speed.). (I had a kicker on the RIB because we traveled significant distances from the larger boat.). |
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Pacificcoast101
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 717 City/Region: Torrance
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colbysmith
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Finally got my steering working. Ended up replacing both the cabin and cockpit helms, however it was the cockpit helm that was bad. Also, finally got my new bimini top! Was made by a local guy that does great work at a fair price.
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journey on
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Pacificcoast101,
I really love your pictures. These are great. Keep them coming.
It's amazing what evolution can do.
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Pacificcoast101
Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 717 City/Region: Torrance
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