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DMcD
Joined: 21 Jul 2016 Posts: 20
State or Province: AL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:13 pm Post subject: Question: roof rail diameter 16' Cruiser? |
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I won't be able to go to the marina and actually measure until the weekend, but I want to order some fittings to make a roof rack for some kayaks. I found some nice clamps at McMaster-Carr but need to know the rail diameter.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#2534t21/=13dactn |
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island andy
Joined: 28 Jan 2016 Posts: 38 City/Region: rochester hills
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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DMcD,
If you have kayaks, you probably have a roof rack............or several........for cars. For my 22 Cruiser, I just used old Thule racks with the feet which clamped on rain gutters. No modifications needed, and they are secure. I have transported a kayak, lumber, a prehung entry door and more.
Now, credit where credit is due - I got that idea from this Forum which has answers to most questions. Except maybe rail diameters, which I couldn't find when I discovered the idea of repurposing roof racks.
andy _________________ andrew g wilson jr |
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Sunbeam
Joined: 23 Feb 2012 Posts: 3990 City/Region: Out 'n' About
State or Province: Other
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Until someone with a 16 responds (I don't know if the rail diameter is the same), I'll just say that on my 22, the rails are 7/8" diameter. |
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spuncopper
Joined: 02 Sep 2012 Posts: 196 City/Region: Camden/ Lake Wateree
State or Province: SC
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sock Monkey
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:30 pm Post subject: handrail dia |
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Hey,
I have a 2007 16 ft cruiser and the handrails on the roof are 7/8 inch. I would add, be careful of any weight put in the roof of the 16 as it will compromise your center of gravity and it is "lively" enough as it is.
Good luck and safe boating.
Spuncopper |
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DMcD
Joined: 21 Jul 2016 Posts: 20
State or Province: AL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:35 pm Post subject: repurposed car roof rack concerns |
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I just have one that fits the gutters of my car, but it doesn't look like it would work on the 16' cruiser.... the roof is more curved and has a head-room hump in the middle. I don't think the posts of the roof rack will be tall enough to keep the cross-bar off the center of the roof. |
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Jazzmanic
Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 2231 City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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DMcD,
Check out how I made my stainless steel to of rack last year. Full disclosure, I "borrowed" the idea from a few very talented C-Brat craftsmen. The use of Taylormade flag holders was perfect but also very expensive. It looks like your McMaster-Carr solution looks like a great alternative.
_________________ Peter & Caryn
C-Dancer - 2005 22' Cruiser 2005-2017
Island Time - 2018 Ranger Tug 23 2017-2022
Email: pjamero@gmail.com |
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Blueback
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 235 City/Region: Qualicum Beach, Vancouver Island
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: Blueback
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: handrail dia |
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spuncopper wrote: | Hey,
I have a 2007 16 ft cruiser and the handrails on the roof are 7/8 inch. I would add, be careful of any weight put in the roof of the 16 as it will compromise your center of gravity and it is "lively" enough as it is.
Good luck and safe boating.
Spuncopper |
Amen -- bother -- I have the 16 Angler and in no way would I put anything but light duffle on the roof. These boats become tender very easily. _________________ I'm in the third stage of life:
1-Learn to catch fish.
2-Catch fish -hopefully-
3-Work at rebuilding the endangered runs of salmonids on the West Coast |
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MikeR
Joined: 21 Apr 2013 Posts: 475 City/Region: Mill Creek
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2016
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: handrail dia |
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Blueback wrote: | spuncopper wrote: | Hey,
I have a 2007 16 ft cruiser and the handrails on the roof are 7/8 inch. I would add, be careful of any weight put in the roof of the 16 as it will compromise your center of gravity and it is "lively" enough as it is.
Good luck and safe boating.
Spuncopper |
Amen -- bother -- I have the 16 Angler and in no way would I put anything but light duffle on the roof. These boats become tender very easily. |
I'll third that recommendation, mainly because you are a new member and there's the possibility you are a relatively new owner of a 16? If so, I'd recommend getting some time on it in some bigger seas before putting extra weight up on the roof - you could find yourself in trouble fairly quickly if caught out in unexpected weather, as I was just last weekend...can't imagine if there had also been a kayak up on the roof in that stuff! |
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Marco Flamingo
Joined: 09 Jul 2015 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Limpet
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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I will "forth" putting nothing on the roof of a CD 16, although I did put a flexible solar panel up there (2 pounds). Also, the scaffold connectors are cheap because they are steel. They would probably last for awhile in fresh water, but as soon as they start to rust they might cause some rust streaking on your gel coat.
There are some activities that are incompatible with cruising in a C Dory 16. Having a kayak on top would be one of them. I always wonder when I see an RV driving down the road, pulling a Jeep, with kayaks, lawn furniture, aluminum boats, and bicycles strapped all the way around, whether they really get enough enjoyment from those all those toys to make it worth the effort. It seems that one toy at a time might be more fun. That being said, I have enjoyed taking my folding bike with me (in the cockpit).
Mark |
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Blueback
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 235 City/Region: Qualicum Beach, Vancouver Island
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: Blueback
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Marco Flamingo wrote: | I will "forth" putting nothing on the roof of a CD 16, although I did put a flexible solar panel up there (2 pounds). Also, the scaffold connectors are cheap because they are steel. They would probably last for awhile in fresh water, but as soon as they start to rust they might cause some rust streaking on your gel coat.
There are some activities that are incompatible with cruising in a C Dory 16. Having a kayak on top would be one of them. I always wonder when I see an RV driving down the road, pulling a Jeep, with kayaks, lawn furniture, aluminum boats, and bicycles strapped all the way around, whether they really get enough enjoyment from those all those toys to make it worth the effort. It seems that one toy at a time might be more fun. That being said, I have enjoyed taking my folding bike with me (in the cockpit).
Mark | For those that have owned the 16 Dory for some time we all have an experience that has taught us about keeping the CG as low as possible and to not overweight the stern either. My experience was on the Fraser River which, at the time, was calm and my adult son decided to sit up on the cabin roof with his feet on either side of the hatch for select view of river activities. A large tug going up river threw up a considerable wake and I was not concerned as I knew it was easily handled by Blueback. Well it scared the crap out of me, as we rolled over so far I thought he was going overboard - or the vessel was going to turn over. This was a lesson I will never forget. BTW he weighted about 160lbs. |
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DMcD
Joined: 21 Jul 2016 Posts: 20
State or Province: AL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:20 pm Post subject: dire warnings to put nothing up top |
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I appreciate the advice, but some of it is making me nervous.
We are using our 16' Cruiser on an inland lake. Why should I be overly concerned with CG shift? Is a 50 lb kayak on the roof really going to cause me to capsize? |
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spuncopper
Joined: 02 Sep 2012 Posts: 196 City/Region: Camden/ Lake Wateree
State or Province: SC
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sock Monkey
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: handrail |
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Hey DMcD,
Fifty pounds? Even on an inland lake fifty pounds on the roof of a CD 16 cruiser would make it squirrely. I use mine on Lake Wateree here in SC, an inland lake and I wouldn't put fifty pounds on the roof.
Here's a suggestion for you before you expend the funds on a roof rack. Take a soft sided suit case or duffle bag and pack it with something totaling fifty pounds. Secure it on the roof of your CD 16 and take it out, you'll get a feel on how it will handle.
I would suggest a tow bridal.
Good luck, Spuncopper |
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spuncopper
Joined: 02 Sep 2012 Posts: 196 City/Region: Camden/ Lake Wateree
State or Province: SC
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sock Monkey
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:09 pm Post subject: handrail |
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Oops, that should've been bridle... :lol: |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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DMcD,
Consider that the 16 owners are a diverse and experienced group. I doubt that any would feel that at rest in calm waters that the 50 + lbs (rack, Kayak, paddles etc) would cause a capsize. But it does change the dynamics of handling when under any way, even slow speeds. Add in that weather can change rapidly on any inland lake, and when 40 knots of wind, and 2 foot seas, come along--and it does not take much fetch, for that to happen, things can go wrong very quickly. You can argue that you never go out in predicted bad weather. I live where I can see Alabama from my front door, and things go bad very rapidly on Perdido Bay, sort of a small "lake"- where I have made a number of rescues in a boat far more capable than the C Dory 16.
If I was in your "shoes" /boat; I would tow the kayak for some time and see how things go. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
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MikeR
Joined: 21 Apr 2013 Posts: 475 City/Region: Mill Creek
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2016
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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50 lbs kayak plus whatever weight of roof rack...earlier in thread there was talk about using or adapting a standard car roof rack...I have a small Yakima that was from a civic hatchback and it is definitely no leightweight!
Have you considered inflatable kayaks? I often carry an Advanced Elements deflated in the cockpit of my 16, it's easy and quick to inflate across the back deck, very seaworthy, and fast enough to explore any area I anchor out at, even with tides (it is only 11' so you do have to watch the tides/currents, but they also make longer models, and you wouldn't worry about tides anyway on your lake). |
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