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Larry Patrick
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 605 City/Region: Dallas
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C-Dory Year: 2008
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Vessel Name: Sea -Jo
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:54 pm Post subject: Bad day at launch |
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Put the boat in Erie in the rain Friday. First as I was putting up the bimini frame the forward piece that swings squashed my finger tip,probablly lose nail all black now. Second thing after wife backs me in water ,I start engine before launching ,she leaves steering not working correctly. Turn wheel 5xs the usual amount to get what usually is 1 time. Hard time turning around and getting to wet slip .When I get to my channel, steering stops all together,can spin the wheel same direction over and over. Wind is trying to blow me into rock jetty. Was ready to drop anchor ,but kept lowering and raising outboard turning wheel,finally a little steering and limped into slip.Talked with Anchor Marine and others ,no one can help till after Memorial day too busy. Called Marc Grove ,he told me to get some Telaflex oil .Took knob off and added oil at helm,turning wheel back and forth,seems like it worked. But inside wall of berth oil was dripping from round canister looking thing behind steering wheel. I see a gasket there looks like a lot of work to change it? I will try and tighten Allen screws, Hope that works. Wondering if boat is useable since dripping stopped and steering is working? Wonder if that's the high point and enough fluid remains in system to safely use? Next trip will start motor and turn it on and off for 15 minutes before going out,will have oil on hand. Appreciate any advise. |
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Wandering Sagebrush
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2770 City/Region: Northeast Oregon
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Larry, chances are the fill nut was loose, or one of the lines to the engine cylinder is loose (check your v berth upholstery). Worst case, the pump is shot.
Find what's loose, then you will probably need to bleed the system. Boris has a great post on it. I will try and find it and insert a link. BTW, the alternative hydraulic fluid that Telefex mentions is much less expensive then the branded stuff. I believe it's mil-spec 5606. It does have a red dye, but it's basically the same stuff.
Steve
Edit: here's a link to a thread that has Boris' advice on bleeding the system, plus comments on 5606.
If it's a loose hose fitting, check your literature on what 'goo' to use if just tightening doesn't fix things. Going from memory here, but it seemed that they recommended a special product that you can get at an auto parts store.
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20803 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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You can get the hydraulic fluid at most fixed base operators at general aviation fields.
Agree with Steve, that you need to bleed the system before using the boat.
For fittings which are going to carry most fluids and there is an issue with threads, often Permatex "Form A Gasket" #2 (slow hardening--stays slightly soft), will take care of the problem. Appreciated for aviation hydraulic systems. _________________ Bob Austin
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Kushtaka
Joined: 17 Dec 2013 Posts: 648 City/Region: Cordova
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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This is a good reminder for people getting their boats wet for the first time in the spring. You should check through all major systems to see if there are problems. The electrical system is important, but if the boat starts, you're okay. Then check steering, dewatering (pumps), and if you have a kicker (a good idea for single engine boats) check that over too, as it is both your backup propusion and your backup steering.
For those with hydraulic steering, it is a great idea to familiarize yourself with filling and bleeding before it is necessary. This can come up while you are out there, and it's not that difficult if you have the right stuff with you and know what to do. It can be very challenging figuring it out on a disabled boat.
Have fun! |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kushtaka wrote: | This is a good reminder for people getting their boats wet for the first time in the spring. You should check through all major systems to see if there are problems. The electrical system is important, but if the boat starts, you're okay. Then check steering, dewatering (pumps), and if you have a kicker (a good idea for single engine boats) check that over too, as it is both your backup propusion and your backup steering.
For those with hydraulic steering, it is a great idea to familiarize yourself with filling and bleeding before it is necessary. This can come up while you are out there, and it's not that difficult if you have the right stuff with you and know what to do. It can be very challenging figuring it out on a disabled boat.
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Agreed. And always, always check for steering before backing off of a trailer or pushing away from a dock. I learned this the hard way when my cable steering temporarily seized on my previous 22. Now I always give the wheel a spin or two in both directions prior to pulling off the trailer or pulling away from the dock. _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20803 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Even if it has only been a month or so, we always start and check all systems at home, including engine start, fluids, batteries, steering, pumps, all switches, etc before heading to the launch ramp. Same after a long trailering trip--start on land if possible (of course have to have water for the engine cooling). |
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journey on
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a thread with information on how to bleed the hydraulic steering.
Mil-H-83282 is the hydraulic fluid used in the Teleflex/Seastar steering. It is available at any airport at a airplane supply company. Teleflex buy/sells it without the dye. Easier to spot a leak with dye, as you've found.
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Larry Patrick
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 605 City/Region: Dallas
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the links to info and advice. Was around $33 for a quart of expensive stuff,at that point its all they had, didn't want to shop around, if not late in day prefer to get no name brand. Was wondering if rescue tape might seal gasket until I can get it over to a mechanic,they wont come to our marina ,but said they would fix it at their marina a few miles away by boat,already brought trailer home. |
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Robert H. Wilkinson
Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 1234 City/Region: Port Ryerse
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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It certainly does make for a bad day when you loose your steering! I had an overheat alarm come on 1 day after leaving the ramp. Since then I always leave my fenders and dock lines deployed until out of the marina. Also keep a boat hook/pole handy to fend off if necessary. Returning I deploy them again before entering the marina.
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20803 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I am not entirely sure where it is leaking--is it still leaking without turning the wheel? Does it leak when you turn the wheel now? Sometimes fluid can leak from the front of the helm, and then run thru the bulkhead, so it appears as if there is a leak on the back side.
No rescue tape will not help in this type of problem. There are times, when rescue tape might help, if there is a cut in the tubing--but even then, would put a hose clamp over the rescue tape which I would put over the tape. Hydraulic steering tubing can develop pressure in the hundreds of lbs/per square inch. The tape alone is too elastic. |
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Larry Patrick
Joined: 03 Dec 2011 Posts: 605 City/Region: Dallas
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Both I and wife looked at leak,seems like the seem where gasket is in berth behind helm.The round cyclinder,dont know name? Just leaked for a while after adding fluid dripped from there I think.I checked steering before launching and started motor,Weffings greased steering so I just figured it was turning more easily. Next time will have a paddle and extra long boat hook. Calling a few more marinas ,maybee someone will do a housecall. |
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AK Angler
Joined: 18 Nov 2003 Posts: 327 City/Region: South Central
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have a secondary motor that can be steered independently (a kicker)? Using the kicker to motor a few miles to the other marina shouldn't be a problem, assuming fair weather/water conditions. _________________ -Rod
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Kushtaka
Joined: 17 Dec 2013 Posts: 648 City/Region: Cordova
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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A LOT of commercial fishermen using older boats simply keep a tube attached to their helm fill with a funnel tied up near the roof and keep fluid in it, so if there is a leak the missing fluid gets replaced as it leaks. This doesn't address the issue, but you can absolutely fill your steering back up, bleed it out, and use this system to get to your repair facility. Or just putt there on your kicker. |
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hardee
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2016 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Or, with twin engines, you could get by WITHOUT a steering wheel.
Harvey
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Kushtaka
Joined: 17 Dec 2013 Posts: 648 City/Region: Cordova
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2016 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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hardee wrote: | Or, with twin engines, you could get by WITHOUT a steering wheel.
Harvey
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Sometimes. I've had my twins refuse to move due to a bad cylinder, and were turned hard over. That was exceedingly difficult to control. Also, your engines can get all floppy without hydraulic pressure, so if you have no means of holding them centered, or nearly so, splitting throttle to steer is much less effective. I've seen boats that have a device mounted on their transom to hold the motors in the center without steering pressure. It just hooked onto the tie bar and was neat, but a one-off fabrication. Good idea though, and good forethought. With that thing you could drain all the fluid and steer with throttle all day long and hardly lose any control. |
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