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joechiro30
Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Posts: 145 City/Region: Lynnwood
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:28 pm Post subject: Hauling a tomcat255 |
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I really like the Ford F-150 v6 3.5L ecoboost 2015 aluminum frame. I want an everyday commuter truck that can hull a fully loaded tomcat from everett to westport a few times a year. I know there are several good trucks that can do this but I wanted to get input from people who have hulled their tomcat 255 in various ramps and hills.
What truck or class of trucks can you get away with? I am currently hoping that the f150 2015 v6 3.5 Ecoboost can do the job
We have a 2006 tomcat 255 with twin suzuki 150's
I appreciate the input as I am wanting to buy a truck |
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gulfcoast john
Joined: 14 Dec 2012 Posts: 989 City/Region: PENSACOLA
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2010
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Cat O' Mine
Photos: CAT O' MINE
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:00 pm Post subject: tc255 |
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Hi Joe!
Excellent and common question.
I see from google maps you are posting about a one-way under 180 miles jaunt 'a few times a year'. The new Ford 150 is a remarkable truck by all accounts. The tow rating is marginal for a cruise-mode TC255.
http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/specifications/towing/
I am the only TC255 owner to put the damn thing on a truck scale and post about it... I got 11, 800# with 3/4 gas and 1/2 water, empty holding tank and your 'cruise mode' will vary...a LOT!
Full Gas alone weighs 900# in this mother, and your truck bed loading, and passengers, affects your overall tow rating a lot. Perhaps you will want to pump out 150 gallons of gas from the boat to lower your towed wgt. Perhaps you will not want to do that. I sure don't want to.
I would suggest you be honest with yourself and your loved ones you are hauling with this boat and put it on a scale in YOUR Westpoint Cruise Mode with Typical Gas load. If that added to All The Stuff you would put in the F150 pickup bed + the ACTUAL TC255 TOWED WGT is within Ford published limits, then you should go with the F150 3.5 Eco-Boost.
Unfortunately, I give you 95% odds you will be exceeding those safe limits. What you want to do about that is up to you. My impression of the best compromise is to buy an older (but not that much older) HD2500 diesel truck/SUV and be ready to safely tow anywhere in the country (Deisel FUEL here is $1.56 today). It can still be your commuter truck, and even with the diesel fuel, cheaper in the long run than a new F150. Run the math. It's a bear to park at WalMart, but, it tows that rig a LOT better...so much better you will never go back.
As far as 'what you can get away with', I just plain don't advise going there...ever. Not in your towed boy toys, not in your finances, not in your professional life, not in your boat battery bank capacity, and sure as hell not in your love life.
All that said, you should make your own decisions.
Cheers!
John _________________ John and Eileen Highsmith
2010 Tom Cat 255, Cat O' Mine
Yamaha F150, LXF150 |
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Jake
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 171
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Not positive Joe but I believe that's a no vote from John.
From what I've read on this forum, don't think you're gonna get any yes votes except maybe from the guys who tow with the Toyota Highlanders.
Jake |
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Gene Morris
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 424 City/Region: Eureka CA
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Reef Madness
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Joe;
We purchased our 2007 TomCat new and towed it from Portland area to Eureka Ca, with a 2002 Ram 2500 Diesel. Tow rated at 9900 lbs. It did Okay at first. But, the more we used it the weaker it got as a tow vehicle for as much weight as the Tomcat presented. The 1st trip to Blaine Wa. and BC cruise we had to tow up I-5. those long hills had us towing as slow as 10 MPH. I didn't want to spend the $ for a new truck so we tried to find new routes that would eliminate the longest hills. After three times doing this it became to much of a problem and worry, not to mention the extra miles and time to use these alternate routes. So we purchased a 2012 Ram Diesel High output truck, tow rating 13500. The first time going up I-5 the speed didn't drop below 55 mph. My suggestion is to get what ever truck you like that has a tow rating of at least 12500 to 13000 lbs. The diesel Fords all have that or higher rating. You will not be sorry for having more power than not enough power.
Just my two cents.
Gene _________________ tight lines |
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joechiro30
Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Posts: 145 City/Region: Lynnwood
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks you guys for your input. I am now leaning more towards an HD 2500 ford truck diesel with a tow capacity of at least 12500lbs. I want to hull our tomcat to various parts of vancouver island that probably has many hills. |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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The 3/4 ton HD pickup with Diesel power seems to always come up as the final agreed upon non-nonsense answer in these discussions about towing a Tomcat and a CD-25 as well, over varied terrain and longer distances. Fortunately, the price of fuel is making that ownership a bit easier.
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20803 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Theoretically you could use the Ford F-150 v6 3.5L ecoboost , with 3.55 or 3.75 rear end--but then it would not be all that good a daily driver. (This gear ratio would give you up to 11,700 capacity...but I suspect that is with a 5th wheel hitch, not a class V hitch.)
Agree with the choice of the 3/4 ton Diesel. Also strongly consider electric over hydraulic brakes, with any of the Western grades you may encounter. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Discovery
Joined: 08 Dec 2003 Posts: 1239 City/Region: LOA, UTAH
State or Province: UT
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Discovery
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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My vote would be for the Ford F350 diesel truck. The same engine and torqshift trans as the F250, but heavier springs. The cost should be the same for an F250 or an F350. I have this set-up in a 2012 model. last summer we towed our TC 255 to Skagway Alaska with no problems. Loaded for a two month cruise. _________________
Brent and Dixie,
1984 22' Classic sold 2003
2003 24' TomCat sold 2005
2006 TC255 Discovery Sold 2020
2006 CD 22' Angler Sold 2014
https://share.delorme.com/FBrentBetenson
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chriscarrera
Joined: 01 Dec 2010 Posts: 96 City/Region: Bellingham
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Carrera
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:09 am Post subject: |
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When we bought our tomcat my 2006 dodge diesel had no problem towing to Bellingham from the Bay Area. Anything less would be sketchy unless it's a couple of miles. We could just barely hold 60 mph going up the pass to mount Ashland with the truck floored, I was impressed. _________________ "Moore-on" Moore 24
"Carrera" 2006 Tomcat |
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T.R. Bauer
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 1726 City/Region: Wasilla
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:30 am Post subject: |
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I just bought a 2015 F150 with the 5.0 and 3.73 gears. In crew cab form like mine, it is rated to tow just over 10,000 pounds. I don't think I'd dare try to pull a tomcat with it, but a CD 25 would probably be fine. With the 157 inch wheel base you'd think it would tow stuff like a dream, but I have only hooked the 22 up to it so far and that isn't much of a test. I think with the load of a tomcat, you want a F-250, F-350, or equivalent. |
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joechiro30
Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Posts: 145 City/Region: Lynnwood
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Anyone try to pull one with a toyota tundra 5.7l v8?
Any thoughts on it? |
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Boomer
Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 36 City/Region: Kenai
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:36 am Post subject: |
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You shouldn't even think of towing a Tomcat with an F150. You know it, I know it, and everyone reading this thread knows it. |
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joechiro30
Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Posts: 145 City/Region: Lynnwood
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C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Boomer wrote: | You shouldn't even think of towing a Tomcat with an F150. You know it, I know it, and everyone reading this thread knows it. |
Never thought of it until they came up with the new 2015 f150 with a max tow capacity of 11700lbs.
Only going to do it once or twice a year and we have done it with a tundra v8 5.7 which has a max tow of 10000lbs |
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joechiro30
Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Posts: 145 City/Region: Lynnwood
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:43 am Post subject: |
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T.R. Bauer wrote: | I just bought a 2015 F150 with the 5.0 and 3.73 gears. In crew cab form like mine, it is rated to tow just over 10,000 pounds. I don't think I'd dare try to pull a tomcat with it, but a CD 25 would probably be fine. With the 157 inch wheel base you'd think it would tow stuff like a dream, but I have only hooked the 22 up to it so far and that isn't much of a test. I think with the load of a tomcat, you want a F-250, F-350, or equivalent. |
The f150 with v6 3.5l ecoboost is rated to tow more than the 5.0 v8 |
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joechiro30
Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Posts: 145 City/Region: Lynnwood
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:44 am Post subject: |
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I am going to rent the 2015 f150 3.5l v6 ecoboost and put it to the test. |
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