View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
SVal
Joined: 02 Nov 2015 Posts: 33 City/Region: Elma
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: Pacemaker
Photos: Pacemaker
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:55 am Post subject: Best Trailer Bunks or rollers? Single or twin axle? |
|
|
I am wondering, which trailer is the best for my C-Dory 22' angler. I purchased it on bunks but I was also given the complete set of EZ-loader rollers. How low my boat sits on the trailer is an important item as I go to one launch that has low water. Also I had another boat that was easy to push off at this launch because of the rollers. Is there any advantage to either? Does one type secure or provide more support to the boat on a long haul like North West Territories? lots of gravel and/or poor roads. I have been there many times and know that nothing replaces caution. Any good information could be helpful.
Steve _________________ SVal |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
Photos: Sea Wolf
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Best Trailer Bunks or rollers? Single or twin axle? |
|
|
SVal wrote: | I am wondering, which trailer is the best for my C-Dory 22' angler. I purchased it on bunks but I was also given the complete set of EZ-loader rollers. How low my boat sits on the trailer is an important item as I go to one launch that has low water. Also I had another boat that was easy to push off at this launch because of the rollers. Is there any advantage to either?
The roller trailer will be much easier to use at a low water launch site/ramp.
Does one type secure or provide more support to the boat on a long haul like North West Territories?
The bunk type ramp usually has more surface area contacting the hull than the roller trailer. (However, the bunk trailer may have 4 or only 2 bunks, depending on the trailer.) Different roller trailers may have different numbers of rollers. My EZ Loader has 32. A 4500 lb boat divided by 32 rollers means each roller supports 140 pounds on the average, but the surface area of each roller is fairly small. Still, the 32 rollers are well distributed all over the boat hull. But as a last thought, those rollers could really grind in that NWT road dirt and grime pretty bad!
So its a trade-off: Which is more important, long-haul support of the boat, or ease of launching? How many times do you need to launch in low-water situations? Could it be done on a bunk trailer? How hard are you gong to be on the boat trailering it?
Another option would be to use the bunks, but replace the back half of the bunk carpeting with slick plastic polymer pads to reduce the friction of sliding off and onto the trailer.* This might be the best solution if it will work for you! Try This.
lots of gravel and/or poor roads. I have been there many times and know that nothing replaces caution. Any good information could be helpful.
Steve |
*Most manufacturers of the polymer skids recommend you only use them on the back half of the bunks, as putting them on the whole bunk surface is likely to cause the boat to slide around too easily, creating a danger when trailering of losing the boat off onto the road(!)
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Will-C
Joined: 21 Aug 2007 Posts: 2476 City/Region: Temple
State or Province: PA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: Will-C
Photos: Will-C
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: Best Trailer Bunks or rollers? Single or twin axle? |
|
|
Just my opinion here. Some things would depend on how far you intend to trailer. Short runs to a local ramp anything will usually work. For longer hauls I think tandem axle trailers will transmit less of a interaction back to the tow vehicle from bumps in the road. Try to shoot for radial tires and get the trailer wheels balanced. Disc brakes on all axles would be a plus. In most cases no need to carry a jack with a tandem as you can fashion a wood block to pull up on with the wheel from the other axle to change a tire or service wheel bearings etc. We have had both roller and bunk trailers. We used to occasionally break one of the forward rocker type roller arms that supported the rollers. So depending how long you keep your trailer you will either be replacing bunk carpeting or rollers. A roller trailer will be easier to load if you have to crank the boat up and on to the trailer in shallow water situations. On our current boat we added bunk slides on the forward half of the trailer's bunks. The idea being that the rear half of the boat might be floating or at least the bunks would be wet and would have less weight on them until the boat is loaded. We have always had trailers setup to be able to power load the boat by just driving the boat on to the trailer and once it reaches the bow stop my wife just hooks up the chain and winches the strap tight. Once we get everything back up on level ground we hit the brakes to slide the boat the rest of the way back up on to the bow stop as a small gap between the boat and the bow stop usually develops once the boat is pulled out of the water and up off the ramp back on level ground. I think you can get the boat to ride lower on a bunk trailer than you can with a roller trailer so the lower the center of gravity while on the road at least would usually provide for better on the road handling. Boats slide off roller trailers pretty nice so for shallow launching the roller trailer might be your better choice. JMHO.
D.D. _________________ Chevrolet The Heart Beat Of America |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Aurelia
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 2331 City/Region: Gig Harbor
State or Province: WA
Photos: Aurelia
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
Bunks can be setup to ride lower if that is important to you. (it is to me)
Bunks provide more even support of the load (less point loading) but roller configurations can be good/bad based on placement and # of rollers used.
Rollers do make for easier load release and retrieval when you are using a ramp/rig combo that does not allow you to float the boat off/on the trailer.
Bunks have far less moving parts to look after.
Bunks can be used as walking surfaces when managing a difficult launch or retrieval while rollers are no good for that.
I am a bunk person but the numerous good ramps in our region allow me exercise that preference with minimal inconvenience.
If I had a simple/light day boat that I wanted to launch anywhere and everywhere, it would be on rollers because I have seen plenty of "boat launches" that are little more than a gap in the shoreline vegetation.
We currently use a single axle trailer to minimize our towing weight and I do feel that a well maintained single axle trailer is adequate for a (within weight rating) C-dory towed a minimal to moderate amount. If you tow far and often or prefer the handling of a tandem, then I would recommend that. If you are a person who generally waits for things to make noise or break before you pay them any attention, tandem is best.
Maintenance is more important when operating with less redundancy. Our single axle King trailer will get fresh grease and bearings and tires more often than it likely deserves.
Greg _________________ Greg, Cindie & Aven
Gig Harbor
Aurelia - 25 Cruiser sold 2012
Ari - 19 Cruiser sold 2023
currently exploring with "Lia", 17 ft Bullfrog Supersport Pilothouse |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Wandering Sagebrush
Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2770 City/Region: Northeast Oregon
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Constant Craving
Photos: Constant Craving
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Aurelia wrote: | Bunks can be setup to ride lower if that is important to you. (it is to me)
<snip>
Greg |
I got a nice ding in my starboard chine from the bunks being too low. It came down on one of the axle U bolts. I don't remember any huge potholes or bumps, but what ever it was was sufficient. That was at the manufacture's recommended height for a CDory.
I am going to raise it one notch to the highest setting to get another two or so inches. _________________ "And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years." - Abraham Lincoln |
|
Back to top |
|
|
thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20813 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: thataway
Photos: Thataway
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Although some folks put slicks on the back half of the trailer, there is a very good case for putting slicks on the front half of bunks, since that is the part which hangs up when launching or retrieving, and the back half is already floating. The front half is common on the Tom Cat.
In any case, a ratchet strap over the cockpit, or transom tow downs are essential on any type of trailer. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
KA6PKB
Home port: Pensacola FL |
|
Back to top |
|
|
colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4551 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
|
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
My vote is bunks on tandem axle. But I also tow a lot, and far distances often. I've only had problems getting the boat off the trailer twice. Once a few years ago in Dubuque when the Mississippi River was running a little low, and again last summer at Bullfrog Bay on Lake Powell. In both situations, some muscle pushing the bow off, and full reverse power worked. In retrospect, I could have pulled the trailer out from under the boat at Bullfrog if I just tied a line off the stern to the dock... I suppose rollers would have never allowed the problem, but I think the bunks also load and center easier. Colby |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jack keifer
Joined: 27 Jun 2012 Posts: 148 City/Region: Boise
State or Province: ID
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Squirt
Photos: C-Squirt
|
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:54 pm Post subject: Best trailer |
|
|
I have also towed thousands of miles hauling a 22 on a bunk trailer. Ours was a single axle, and having pulled tandem axle travel, and horse trailers, the single axle is my choice. If you do have a tandem, be sure to have the ramp with you in case of a flat. I found that bottle jacks don't take up that much room and you will likely have to take wrenches with you anyway. It likely will come to personal preference on single or tandem. More important is to be sure you get a trailer with sufficient carry capacity, and as previously suggested use a tie down strap at the stern, and a safety chain in the bow eye.
Jack _________________ Jack
Previously 22 cruiser "Loafer's Paradise"
Now 16 cruiser "C-Squirt" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SVal
Joined: 02 Nov 2015 Posts: 33 City/Region: Elma
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: Pacemaker
Photos: Pacemaker
|
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:35 pm Post subject: Trailer set up |
|
|
Thanks everyone, I have put Slide Guides on the trailer already. This was a great help. I considered contacting EZ loader and checking out converting my trailer to a double axle. I know from experience that rough roads and two axles is a good planning. Lots of good thoughts and I will check my distances from my boat to anything on the trailer that might hit on a rough road. Good info.
I have lots of miles in Northern BC, Canada with a smaller lighter boat and have learned if it can break it will, and never be shy about asking for good advice. I tow with a dually RAM 3500 4X4 and keep the majority of the weight in my truck. This trip I will probably take my camper so I like the sound of more axles. Thanks |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SVal
Joined: 02 Nov 2015 Posts: 33 City/Region: Elma
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1990
C-Dory Model: 22 Angler
Vessel Name: Pacemaker
Photos: Pacemaker
|
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:39 pm Post subject: |
|
|
P.S. I am the type who overbuilds everything, fixes it before it breaks and maintains on a strict schedule. I hate any noises, squeaks or rattles.
SV |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
Photos: Sea Wolf
|
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
Just a couple of additional thoughts.
Both types of trailers, bunk and rollers, have their advantages and limitations. Your intended use may well determine which one is best for you.
We feel more comfortable with what we know and are familiar with.
The roller trailer particularly seems difficult to use to those not familiar with it, but to those with considerable experience using them, roller trailers can be used very advantageously, especially on lighter and medium weight boats and in difficult launching situations. Heavy and very heavy boats would still seem more at home on bunk trailers.
I personally prefer tandem trailers, and especially so for longer towing jobs and high speed freeways. Blowouts are much less catastrophic, and you can usually limp along at 35 mph or so to the next exit and maybe even to a tire service center.
With the single axle, a blow out means you stop right now, and, hopefully, still under control!
Lots more +es and -es, yada, yada, yada, etc.!
Joe. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
colbysmith
Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Posts: 4551 City/Region: Madison
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Traveler
Photos: C-Traveler and Midnight-Flyer
|
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'm like you SV. I'd rather service and maintain my trailer at home, as opposed to breaking down out in the middle of somewhere... Colby |
|
Back to top |
|
|
bcassal
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 193 City/Region: BLoomington
State or Province: IN
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Carpy
Photos: Carpy
|
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I have towed my C-22 thousands of mile on aE_Z loader tandem and I have been
very pleased with it (except for the surge drum brakes ,I'm putting on discs).
A word of caution !!! The first time I launched Carpy I just about drooped it on the ramp, and it was a shallow ramp. The rollers are just as easy off as it is on.
Don't release your winch rope until the boat is over the water!
Carpy |
|
Back to top |
|
|
hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12632 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sleepy-C
Photos: SleepyC
|
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm in the bunks and tandem camp too. Mostly due to the increased support for the boat through it's entire length. And tandem for the specific safety afforded in a blowout situation. The tandem also has more swing control, but that plus is negated in the backing and turning scrub and effort applied when not going in a straight line.
I did see a roller trailer this weekend that caught my eye. It had a 26 foot boat on it and it was a "Load Rite" 8 pairs of rollers every 4 feet on both sides, so there were rollers something less than every 12 inches for 3/4 of the length of the boat. I would have to say it probably provided almost as much support as a bunk trailer and would have been easier on and off in some situations.
My bunks, for where I launch and retrieve, are easy. Just back in until the water is a couple of inches over the top of the trailer wheel fenders and it's "float on and float off".
Harvey
SleepyC
_________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1190 City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
|
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
The fact that your boat came with a trailer set up with bunks and the rollers in a box should give you some idea of what is best.
Tandem axles for ramp launching and highway travel.
Single axle when towing on a sandy beach and beach launching. Tandems dig in when turning on the sand. _________________ On the HIGH TIDE-II, wife Carolyn and I.....Another summer fishing on the HIGH TIDE II in the Cook Inlet at Cape Ninilchik, Alaska.
HIGH TIDE-II; 2005 26' ProAngler; 2003 200 Honda / 2009 9.9 Honda high thrust
No. CD026021I405; AK-5008-AK
MSSI No. 338143486(cancelled)
HIGH TIDE; 1983 Angler Classic 22'; 90 Honda/ 9.9 Tohatsu-sold 2009 to son Dan (flatfishfool)
Stolen & stripped in Aug. 18
Bare hull & trailer sold in Nov. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|