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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1190
City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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 Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:22 am Post subject: Permatrim |
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I finally decided to order a Permatrim for my 26' C-Dory.
After reading all of the info on this site about them I decided to give it a try even though I have trim tabs that work well.
It was a pricy thing with postage added.
Time will tell and I will report how it works out.
Next job is to uncover my boat after a long winter on the trailer. Our beach launch does not open until May 1 so I have some time.
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On the HIGH TIDE-II, wife Carolyn and I.....Another summer fishing on the HIGH TIDE II in the Cook Inlet at Cape Ninilchik, Alaska.
HIGH TIDE-II; 2005 26' ProAngler; 2003 200 Honda / 2009 9.9 Honda high thrust
No. CD026021I405; AK-5008-AK
MSSI No. 338143486(cancelled)
HIGH TIDE; 1983 Angler Classic 22'; 90 Honda/ 9.9 Tohatsu-sold 2009 to son Dan (flatfishfool)
Stolen & stripped in Aug. 18
Bare hull & trailer sold in Nov. |
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Molly Brown
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Posts: 405
City/Region: Punta Gorda
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: MOLLY BROWN
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:08 am Post subject: |
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After 13 years of Permatrim's on our boat and 100% favorable comments from other users we've meet, I guarantee you will not regret it. One advantage you never hear about is their use as "seats" for cocktails on a hot day. Don't have any "hard data" to back them up but I can say that we haven't had any issues with our tilt/trim, the cavitation plate or the transom. Will watch for your experience.....
James
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1190
City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:47 am Post subject: |
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James.
What is a "hot day".??? Look where I live.
Jack |
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lloyds
Joined: 02 Aug 2005
Posts: 1724
City/Region: sublimity
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: undecided
Photos: 1996 22 Cruiser (Lloyds)
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| They also work well as another way back into the boat if you fall off. |
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Flint
Joined: 24 Dec 2013
Posts: 50
City/Region: Marathon
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Grace Full
Photos: Grace Full
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:12 pm Post subject: permatrim |
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| Just installed one on our 150hp Honda. Haven't put many hours on it as yet but like how it handles. Seems we get up on plan faster and handles a little better at slow speed. We leave Marathon, Fl. for Charleston, S.C. in a couple of weeks and that will really show me how this performs. |
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Molly Brown
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Posts: 405
City/Region: Punta Gorda
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C-Dory Year: 2003
C-Dory Model: 24 Tomcat
Vessel Name: MOLLY BROWN
Photos: Molly Brown
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jack, you just never know when it might come in handy, and who knows you may end up in Florida or Mexico some day 
And yes, they are handy to reenter the boat. I've gotten out on them with full dive gear and my dogs use them to get in the boat as well. Not to mention they are very handy to get in and out of the boat when it's on the trailer.
Be sure and let us know how they work out for you.
James |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1520
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Jack in AK:
Exactly what are you expecting your permatrim(s*) to do for you;
why did you get them?
*Single or twin engines?
Still curious...
Aye.
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1190
City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
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C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:03 am Post subject: Permatrim |
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Foggy......
I have a single 200 hp Honda for main power.
My expectation is for a faster rise to plaining speed and more response from the motor tilt/trim.
We will see how it works out.
Jack |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013
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City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Permatrim |
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| Jack in Alaska wrote: | Foggy......
I have a single 200 hp Honda for main power.
My expectation is for a faster rise to plaining speed and more response from the motor tilt/trim.
We will see how it works out.
Jack |
Thanks Jack:
My 26 Venture comes off plane like a jack (' ') rabbit, with the twin Honda 90's
each swinging aluminum 13.5x15 props, and is very responsive to both trim tab
and engine tilt adjustments. A reason for our difference might be in how heavy
our boats are loaded with "stuff". I'd call mine moderate. Yours?
Your set up is closest to mine I've recently come across and I'll have to say I'm
happy with it and cannot see any reason to even consider permatrims especially
since I know more stuff underwater creates more drag, maybe more lift astern.
Good luck with yours and get back so we know your findings.
Aye. |
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A Fishin C
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Foggy, you have a completely different hull from than does Jack in Alaska... |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013
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City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| A Fishin C wrote: | | Foggy, you have a completely different hull from than does Jack in Alaska... |
My understanding is my 26' Venture hull is a little longer, same beam and more "v"
going forward at the bow than his 25' hull.
If his hull is just a little shorter but flatter, he should get on plane easily with 20
more horsepower and less weight at the stern with his single 200 hp vs my 2x90s.
I'm thinking the trim tabs should be the same.
So, can you give me a little more on why you made your statement?
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1190
City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Foggy,
My hull is also 26' long. The "V" angle is 12 degr. and I believe yours is 17. My V is approx. 70% of the hull length and then tapers to a full V at the bow.
I cruise at 4000 rpm and 23 mph and 8.6 gph now.
My neighbor has a 26' C-dory with the same hull, different cabin arrangement, and we run side by side out to fishing. He has a 200 Yahm. transom mounted. They perform pretty closely. I will see how the PT affects me compared to his boat.
The biggest concern that I have is possible getting lines caught up on the PT when the fish start running around the stern. Both halibut and king salmon do that and I would hate to lose one, particularly a nice king. They are getting more rare each season.
Jack |
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Foggy
Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Posts: 1520
City/Region: Traverse City; Northern Lake Michigan
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2014
C-Dory Model: 26 Venture
Vessel Name: Boatless in Boating Paradise
Photos: W B Nod
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Jack,
Thanks for the info. I get about the same speed at 4K rpm as you do but I
think I burn more fuel; maybe around 10gal/hr. Mine tops out WOT at 6K rpm
at 35 mph. I don't do this much.
Can't find a solid on why I should consider permatrims.
Aye.
Grandma used to say, "Find contentment with what you have." |
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1190
City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mine tops out at 6 rpm and 33 mph and 14 gph. I don't do that at all. With cheaper gas now it will not be such a hurt to "kick it up a notch" though.
It may turn out that I just burned up $250 needlessly on the PT purchase.
Jack |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004
Posts: 5922
City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Permatrim |
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| Jack in Alaska wrote: | Foggy......
I have a single 200 hp Honda for main power.
My expectation is for a faster rise to plaining speed and more response from the motor tilt/trim.
We will see how it works out.
Jack |
Jack - my bet is that you'll see both of those things and perhaps lose a kt or so at the top end. As for the concerns about the permatrim and getting lines caught up on it, I don't see that as a problem. In fact, if anything the permatrims help keep lines away from the prop which is a bigger problem. The permatrims have pretty smooth edges relative to a prop and they don't rotate.
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