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SEA3PO
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:50 pm Post subject: There has to be an easier way to change oil |
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I am doing a pre-season service.... and what a mess it is to change oil on my Yamaha 40 outboards... you pull the plug and it drains all over the lower unit making a huge mess.... (lotsa cardboard) the majority of it does get into the drain pan...but is is sure not pretty.
The outlet of the oil drain is so short I can't see any way to get a hose over it.... there must be a way.... what do others do ? |
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srbaum
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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SEA3PO,
I use one of these for everything (lawn mower, car, outboards, etc):
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--manual-oil-extractor-6-9-quart--11047123
Mine is made by Moeller, but looks like the West one. The only thing that is a challenge is tilting the outboard just right to remove the oil filter without spilling a drop. I do put lots of rags around the filters, just in case, but can now do this without any mess. _________________ Steve Baum
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TyBoo
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Make a funnel out of a plastic gallon milk jug. Carve the big end to fit in, around and under the drain and aim the little end at your bucket. Cut the top big enough so you can reach in and grab the plug. Very high tech, I know, but you will not spill a drop. You even get a handle to hold it up there with. _________________ TyBoo Mike
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SGIDave
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: There has to be an easier way to change oil |
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SEA3PO wrote: | I am doing a pre-season service.... and what a mess it is to change oil on my Yamaha 40 outboards... you pull the plug and it drains all over the lower unit making a huge mess.... (lotsa cardboard) the majority of it does get into the drain pan...but is is sure not pretty.
The outlet of the oil drain is so short I can't see any way to get a hose over it.... there must be a way.... what do others do ? |
SEA3PO
Oil aspiration from ABOVE is the way to do it. That's how most marine dealers I've checked with handle the task. Many top European cars are serviced with aspirators from above. SRBAUM has the right idea!
I started out with a 6 QT capacity unit for my diesel Passat; but now use an 8 or 10 qt capacity unit for general use.
The main disadvantage is it will take 10-20 minutes to suck out all the oil. The time is greatly reduced if your oil is hot prior to starting the oil change.
david |
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BRAZO
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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We use a Fumoto Oil pan valve for our motorhome and all the cars. Just attach a small hose and open the valve.
Wonder if you can get these to fit an Outboard (no question you could, just need to know the threads on the outboard)? I agree that changing the oil should be much cleaner - the Fumoto Valve would make it easy.
http://www.fumotousa.com/ _________________ 2008 CD22 Twin 50hp
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BrentB
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I use a Bigboy Top Sider pump and let the OB warm up to operating temp then remove oil. _________________ Brent Barrett |
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Big Mac
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I also went with the Topsider oil extractor this year. It makes changing the oil very easy and clean. I did warm up the engines first. I also use it on other small engines around the place. |
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localboy
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I do two things:
1. Tilt the engine up and turn full to starboard. The allows the majority of oil to drain without gravity making a mess. I then lower the unit and make sure it's good and drained.
2. I made a plastic "tool" to pull the oil away from the lower unit out of a 1 liter soda bottle. It works like the trough you see at the back of a cement truck.
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I installed these on my F250 to drain the coolant from the block. Top quality. _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
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Wigeon
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Some type of oil extractor with oil at normal temp is pretty painless and if you desire, you can remove the drain plug for the remaining oil. I've also used clear wrap duct taped to lower unit for mess control. Once you've used an oil extractor you're unlikely to pull the plug again. Larry |
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thataway
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:37 am Post subject: |
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For the outboards, I have left over a 12 volt electric pump by Jabsco and a 5 gallon container. Tube sucks thru the oil fill or dip tube.
For the inboard diesels, I had a built in drain pan plug, to a built in pump which would pull used oil out, and pump new oil in by Reverso.
Reverso makes the GP-311 PW for outboards, but it is pricey, and you can get one which works as well for 1/3 or less of the price. _________________ Bob Austin
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akc-dory
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:29 am Post subject: |
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another easy method if you don't want to spend the money on a suction pump and have a shop vac. take an old stiff plastic bottle, i use 5 gal water bottle . find hose that will push tight into engine drain hole. drill hole same size near top bottle , shove hose 1/3 to 1/2 way to bottom inside bottle. vac hose goes in bottle opening , outside adjusted with duck tape if needed. turn on vac , pull plug and twist hose into drain. vac makes suction in bottle and sucks in oil into bottle. have used many, many times on small gas engines and hose is also small enough to go down auto dipstick hole on lowrider. |
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akc-dory
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:44 am Post subject: |
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i also have a 5 gallon bottle set up like this with a 1 inch hose. i can use it to suck up a few gallons of water, if i don't want to get the inside of my shop vac all gunky. works great just dump out bottle |
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SENSEI
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I have the ultimate way to fix your problem
Put a pair of E-Tec 40hp on it. never change the oil again. _________________ Roger on the "SENSEI"
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TyBoo
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Joel - I am changing my oil today.
Here is what I mean by the milk jug funnel. Try it one time and I promise you won't want to spend any more than two minutes or a buck eighty-nine on any extraction device. Loosen the plug, aim the spout at the bucket, and reach in over the top to remove the plug. The three drops of oil you get on your fingers will be the only oil that doesn't hit the bucket. Twenty two seconds and the plug goes back in. You don't even have to wipe the deflector plate under the plug because you ain't gettin' no oil on it.
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TyBoo
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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I take one thing back - you do have to wipe the deflector plate because the funnel goes under it, of course. But you do not need to clean the floor of the cavity beneath it.
Joel, ever since you suggested I use a wedge to shim out my helm and tilt the steering wheel up I have been searching for a way to repay that forehead slapping favor. I really think this is it.
This year I added a chunk of hose to the funnel so I could be hands free to take pics. Since I just yesterday jerked the sink and the shower out of the head on board I happened to have a length of drain tube that fit over the spout of the milk jug. You do not have to do that if you don't want - the funnel has a handle.
Draining:
Close up to show no mess:
The entire extent of my cleanup, including wiping the three drops of oil off my fingers:
So there you have it. Unless your Yamahas won't facilitate the Honda method, we are even. But I will still silently thank you every time I sit at the helm and don't bump my legs on the wheel. |
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