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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I have had bumps with my Boss, and am putting on a "Scuff Guard" SS bow protector, just under the hull to deck joint, down to the first "strake" on the hull. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
Frequent Sea; 2003 C D 25, 2007 thru 2009
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Robert H. Wilkinson
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Marco Flamingo wrote: | Ahhh, physics.
One of the things that isn't discussed when it comes to anchors is the density of the anchor material.
Mark |
I seem to remember reading one time about an anchor that had lead encased in the tip to help it set. Anybody heard of this?
Regards, Rob _________________ Talk to me and I will listen-- but if its not about boats or fishing all I will hear is bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,zzzzzzzz |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Robert H. Wilkinson wrote: | Marco Flamingo wrote: | Ahhh, physics.
One of the things that isn't discussed when it comes to anchors is the density of the anchor material.
Mark |
I seem to remember reading one time about an anchor that had lead encased in the tip to help it set. Anybody heard of this?
Regards, Rob |
Yup. Delta FastSet, (Simpson mfg I believe.)
Harvey
SleepyC _________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | I have had bumps with my Boss, and am putting on a "Scuff Guard" SS bow protector, just under the hull to deck joint, down to the first "strake" on the hull. |
Hi Bob,
After considerable thought, mental struggle actually, I decided on a Vulcan 9. I am sure it is over sized, just not sure how much (if too much). I can't say I like the big curved shank, but I like the shape and spade physics. I have not even had it in the launcher yet, but know it is going to be closer fit than my Delta was.
Would you mind expanding a bit on the Scuff Guard bow protector you are adding: Size, thickness, etc. Pictures? Would be great if you have time.
Thank you,
Harvey
SleepyC
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Will do, am recovering (I hope) from more back problems. and gel coated the "dings" today. I will sand and fair the gel coat in the am, and apply the "Skuff Buster" on line.
I had asked Jay what he used--and this is what. It is 22 gauge 304 SS, with 3M pressure sensitive adhesive on the back. It is pre cut, and supposedly has some line for the bend.
I'll post photos (hopefully tomorrow). My plan is to prebend it, with a 5/8" dowel for the "radius". I will pencil the line where it will come, and then mass with blue tape, putting a small bead of 5200 around the edges. They say to use a rubber mallet to work the metal to any contour.
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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thataway wrote: | Will do, am recovering (I hope) from more back problems. and gel coated the "dings" today. I will sand and fair the gel coat in the am, and apply the "Skuff Buster" on line.
I had asked Jay what he used--and this is what. It is 22 gauge 304 SS, with 3M pressure sensitive adhesive on the back. It is pre cut, and supposedly has some line for the bend.
I'll post photos (hopefully tomorrow). My plan is to prebend it, with a 5/8" dowel for the "radius". I will pencil the line where it will come, and then mass with blue tape, putting a small bead of 5200 around the edges. They say to use a rubber mallet to work the metal to any contour.
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Harvey, this is what I sent to Bob.
"This is a photo of the anchor bow protection I made from the KeelGuard product Scuff buster Bow Guard.
Its held up for about 7 years now. I had to cut to modify for fit on the top one & that was easy to do. The thin stainless is strong enough to protect the bow from the anchor, yet still easy to bend or cut for fit. The 3M built in glue has like, I first said, held up well so far. With your ability to work with most anything, you might want something more permanent, but for me it has worked out well. Here’s a link to one place it can be purchased.
http://www.iboats.com/Scuffbuster-trade-Bow-Guard/dm/view_id.391906 "
Bob will be improving on what I did, as I imagined he would.
Jay _________________ Jay and Jolee 2000 22 CD cruiser Hunkydory
I will not waste my days in trying to prolong them------Jack London
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for that photo and link. That may be what i need to do, although I don't much like that it is 304 Stainless instead of 316. I have some 304 on the boat already and I hate the way it stains and rusts.
Great idea, Jay. Do you have to buff and polish that stainless to keep it from looking rusted.
Thanks again,
Harvey
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thataway
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to Jay for posting his, and the link. I bought just one XL,
Hardy is right, that 304 may show more corrosion than the 316, which has 2 to 3 percent molybdenum added, to give it more resistance to Cl ion.
With good 304, the staining should not be excessive, and I believe that mine will get scuffed up--and when I clean it with one of the phosphoric acids, it will then become a duller finish, but doubt that I will have any streaks of rust....Depends on where the Stainless is made.
Here is my thread on installing the Scuff Buster--as you see I did it differently than Jay. But, Jay's is "Bigger than mine!" Mine is 10#, Jay's is about 25#! Because of this, I have not gotten any dings lower down--if I do, then I'll add more pieces.
My installation:
http://www.c-brats.com/albums/Thataway/DSC00769_001.sized.jpg |
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Hunkydory
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2660 City/Region: Cokeville, Wyoming
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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hardee wrote: | Thanks for that photo and link. That may be what i need to do, although I don't much like that it is 304 Stainless instead of 316. I have some 304 on the boat already and I hate the way it stains and rusts.
Great idea, Jay. Do you have to buff and polish that stainless to keep it from looking rusted.
Thanks again,
Harvey
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Harvey, it definitely no longer shines like Bob's new application, but without any buffing, it only has some tiny specks of rust in the center of a couple dings where the anchor point hit fairly hard & still in my opinion looks ok, which after somewhat around 7 years, I think pretty good. Without it there, those small dings in the stainless could have been major chunks out of the gelcoat. Before the addition of the Skuff Buster, I had to repair several gel coat dings from the 22# Lewmar Claw, I was using for an anchor & the reason, I looked into the application of the Skuff Buster.
Jay |
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bridma
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think a bow protector is a good idea. I can see it being really beneficial for those of you recovering by a windlass from the cabin. I haul in by hand, but then my anchor is only a 15 lb Manson Supreme, easy to recover. When recovering and I'm down to the last 6 feet coming in, I make sure the anchor is 'lined up' and coming in away from the gel coat. I have never dinged the bow yet.
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20829 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Martin. I never dinged up gel coat pulling by hand (and the reason I have a bad back....)--some windlasses and anchors, no issue--other can be a major issue. Windlass brings an anchor in fairly quickly--and you have to have the 3rd generation anchors lined up properly. From inside the cabin, it is hard to know exactly where you are on the chain--some paint on the last 3 feet helps a lot to know when you are close to the anchor. |
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Chester
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Any updates or reports on the Vulcan anchor?
I'm wondering how it rides on the bow roller.
Fisheries Supply has them on sale and I am weak. |
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hardee
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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Chester,
I wound up putting on a Vulcan and then because of the big curved shank I switched to a Rocna9, due to clearance when raising and angle of holding in the launcher roller. The Rocna gave excellent results last year. It launches and retrieves in the roller with ease, and did not drag one time out of 60 nights at anchor over the summer. It held in sand, mud, and rocky bottoms, and only gave me a couple of times of not hooking up due to thick kelp. I had one incidence where I retrieve a big metal framework of some sort. That issue was relieved with some head scratching and some extra line.
The Rocna9 is a bit smaller than the Vulcan, the "hoop" is not obtrusive, and I was very pleased with the result. As you can tell from the previous posts in this (and other ) anchoring thread, I am a fan of practical physics, and the spade or scoop is much more logical than the plow shape for a holding anchor.
Harvey
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Aurelia
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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We have over 30 nights anchored on our 4KG Rocna which is interestingly only half the weight of Harvey's and have also had no problems on various bottom types and slopes. I think we have 35ft of 1/4 chain which is also half of Harvey's.
We have used mostly claw types in the past and they did not work as consistently for us in the NW.
Love it!
Greg _________________ Greg, Cindie & Aven
Gig Harbor
Aurelia - 25 Cruiser sold 2012
Ari - 19 Cruiser sold 2023
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thataway
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Greg,
I had assumed that Harvey was using the 4 KG Rocna, since there is no 9 KG Rocna, and the 4KG is listed as 9 lbs. This anchor has a surface area of 71 sq inches. (There is a Vulcan 9KG--and that is 20#--I was under the impression that Harvey had taken the Vulcan back?)
I did a rough surface area on my 10# Boss, and it is about 81 sq inches. We had it drag a few feet in some 50 knot + beam wind--but I suspect was just burying deeper.
In any case, the Rocna 4 and the Boss 4.5 (10#) are both on lower limit in size for a 19 or 22, but seem to be holding better than many of the traditional anchors. I still would recommend the one size larger for most C Dory 22 owners. I feel more comfortable with the Boss 10# than a Delta Quick Set 14#. |
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