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RonJr
Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 78 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: Larger fuel tank on a 16 cruiser? |
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I have a 2004 16' Cruiser. I'm considering moving from portable tanks to a larger, fixed tank. I'm interested in the opinions of those with a 16 on such a move, especially anyone who has personally installed a larger tank. Thanks.
I want to increase my cruising range. I wonder about my ability to lift portable tanks in and out of the boat, as I get older. _________________ Ron & Rose
1987 22 Cruiser - sold 2012
2006 16 Cruiser - sold 2015 |
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jep111
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 83 City/Region: Carmichael
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1992
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Mas Que NADA
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:57 am Post subject: |
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I was also looking to do this. I relocated my batteries forward, so I wanted to install a tank on each side of the depression with the bilge pump. Couldn't find a suitably shaped tank, so I ended up with just a couple of six gallon Tempos. If anyone can find something that fits in that space, I'd love to hear it!
Cheers!
John
1992 C16 Cruiser |
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akc-dory
Joined: 09 Jul 2011 Posts: 26 City/Region: Fairbanks
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:26 am Post subject: |
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We also would like to increase or cruising range. Presently have 2 - 12 gallon tanks, battery and bilge pump that fit under engine splashwell pretty well, but snugly. |
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akc-dory
Joined: 09 Jul 2011 Posts: 26 City/Region: Fairbanks
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:28 am Post subject: |
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We also would like to increase or cruising range. Presently have 2 - 12 gallon tanks, battery and bilge pump that fit under engine splashwell pretty well, but snugly. |
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jimicliff
Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 180 City/Region: Mount Dora
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2004
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Ocklawaha Queen
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Hey yall, I understand I did it last year. My tank sits on the port side floor and runs forward to within a foot of the port passenger seat. I have a Honda 50 four stroke with my 29 gal tank I have 165 mile range. Look at my pictures for a glance. It makes getting in and out of the boat much easier and it is a great seat with a throwable cushion. Some people on this sight had saddle tanks fabricated, they go into the walls of the rear area, it was just to expensive for me. After a year with the tank I'm still happy and I have used my boat weekly for two years now. I did 800 miles last year in two weeks and the 29 gal tank was perfect. _________________ The trouble is we think we have TIME Buddha |
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: LIZZIE II
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Here's Jimicliff's tank. Beautiful job!
Here's a picture of the tank that was on our boat when we bought it. It looks a lot like one of the two that come on a 22 footer. It holds about 20 gallons I think.
_________________ MartyP
"...we're all in the same boat..." |
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jep111
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 83 City/Region: Carmichael
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1992
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Mas Que NADA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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dotnmarty wrote: |
Here's a picture of the tank that was on our boat when we bought it. It looks a lot like one of the two that come on a 22 footer. It holds about 20 gallons I think.
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Marty,
Do you have a picture that shows the top of the tank? I'd sure like to see how they did the fuel fill. Two of those would be perfect in my boat!
Thanks,
John |
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jep111
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 83 City/Region: Carmichael
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1992
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Mas Que NADA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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akc-dory wrote: | We also would like to increase or cruising range. Presently have 2 - 12 gallon tanks, battery and bilge pump that fit under engine splashwell pretty well, but snugly. |
Any chance you could post a picture of the tanks and installation? I would love to have two 12s!
Cheers!
John |
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: LIZZIE II
Photos: Lizzie
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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John, This is the best I can do for now as the boat is put away for the winter. You can just make out the side view of the filler cap to the right of the blue line. The vent is at the side of the splashwell covered with a stainless clamshell.
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jep111
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 83 City/Region: Carmichael
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C-Dory Year: 1992
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Mas Que NADA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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dotnmarty wrote: | John, This is the best I can do for now as the boat is put away for the winter. You can just make out the side view of the filler cap to the right of the blue line. The vent is at the side of the splashwell covered with a stainless clamshell. |
Thanks, Marty, that is a help.
When I look at those Moeller tanks I see the fill rises up 2.75", and I couldn't see how you would get room… it looks like the fill is so far over to the right that there is a straight (more or less) shot to the fill on the tank. Maybe I need to make one out of cardboard and mock it up.
I think I can only fit two of the 20" long ones (12 gallon). Still, 24 gallons fixed is pretty good!
John |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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The best solution I've seen to the heavy stern, short boat, and need for larger gas tanks on a C-Dory 16, was Dave Thompsons:
He cut the boat in half and added two feet to it!
C-Voyager's 24" hull extension
Might be able to do something akin, but not as radical, by adding an Armstrong style bracket to extend the hull and motor out the back another two feet and thus add some extra hull length and flotation.
A custom bracket design could add a gas tank inside the bracket, freeing up more hull space, though the weight would be better positioned forward in a pair of saddle tanks amidships.
Or one could just move up to a CD 18, 19, or 22.
Something to think about!
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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jep111
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 83 City/Region: Carmichael
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C-Dory Year: 1992
C-Dory Model: 16 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Mas Que NADA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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dotnmarty wrote: | John, This is the best I can do for now as the boat is put away for the winter. You can just make out the side view of the filler cap to the right of the blue line. The vent is at the side of the splashwell covered with a stainless clamshell.
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I went out and looked, and it just didn't seem possible! Then I looked at your photo again, and I realized I have fiberglass hull liner and foam where the right side of your tank is… if I cut that away, I'd have plenty of room. Hmmm... |
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jep111
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 83 City/Region: Carmichael
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Vessel Name: Mas Que NADA
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sea Wolf wrote: | The best solution I've seen to the heavy stern, short boat, and need for larger gas tanks on a C-Dory 16, was Dave Thompsons:
He cut the boat in half and added two feet to it!
C-Voyager's 24" hull extension
Might be able to do something akin, but not as radical, by adding an Armstrong style bracket to extend the hull and motor out the back another two feet and thus add some extra hull length and flotation.
A custom bracket design could add a gas tank inside the bracket, freeing up more hull space, though the weight would be better positioned forward in a pair of saddle tanks amidships.
Or one could just move up to a CD 18, 19, or 22.
Something to think about!
Joe. |
Or just relocate the batteries to under the v-berth like I did.
John |
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Robert H. Wilkinson
Joined: 26 Jan 2011 Posts: 1235 City/Region: Port Ryerse
State or Province: ON
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Joe, are you volunteering to do the renovations to Ron's boat so he can install a bigger tank??
I don't think an Armstrong bracket will add hull length. Actually I think they are used by some to get the prop set back behind the hull where it runs in clearer(less disturbed) water. Some boats also handle better as the bracket changes the steering geometry(pivot point).
They do add flotation where its needed though. On a C dory that has foam in the bow this would be a good set-up. If I was ordering a custom build like the Sea Skiff 22 and could get a motor well or for 2 grand extra - a full transom with an Armstrong bracket,,,, I would consider it money well spent.
Regards, Rob _________________ Talk to me and I will listen-- but if its not about boats or fishing all I will hear is bla,bla,bla,yada,yada,zzzzzzzz |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Rob-
A custom Armstrong-like bracket could be designed to fit right up to the end of the transom and backward, effectively extending the hull out longer and up to as wide as one designed it, with the same "V" in its bottom as the original hull.
I wasn't thinking of a ready made item from an existing supplier out of a catalog of factory choices.
Probably an easier design and do operation than Dave's 24" hull lengthening.
Thanks for helping me clarify the concept.
Have a great weekend!
Joe. |
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