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Byrdman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:05 pm    Post subject: CUBA CRUISE? - RELATIONS CHANGING TODAY Reply with quote

Interesting. May be a great time for a C-Brat cruise... Going to listen to the news. Anyone interested? I'd love to see the old cars...beaches...snorkel...
Anyone up for a trip over?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Us Canadians have been going there for years! It is interesting to see all the old cars, well maintained and running fine! From my observations there it showed a strength of the people to learn to live and survive with what they had available without normal trade with neighbors.

Regards, Rob

P.S. Patrick if you check out my Trent Severn album I added a few pictures of a Rosie 246 that I met on my travels. Love them!! I was lamenting with the owner that A great Canadian company had been taken over by a US company. He said he had been talking to somebody that was having one built. Apparently they were impressed with the job Eastern was doing on the new builds. This sounded reassuring. Would be a shame if such a great custom built boat was cheapened/degraded for the sake of being mass produced.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck Byrdman, I would follow you anywhere..

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

only minor changes with Cuba

Congress has to approve removal of full restrictions

Cuba will still be dictatorship

In 2013 they signed a long term agreement with Russia for active surveillance from Cuban based facilities to spy on the US

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was stationed at Guantanamo in the '50's Cuba was run by a dictator, Fulgencio Bautista, and some say owned by gangsters Lucky Luciano and Meyer Lansky. Castro and his band of revolutionaries were in the Sierra Maestra mountains nearby. While skirmishes would be fought in the towns, Boqueron, Camaguey, and Guantanamo City, we could go there on liberty and many Cubans worked on the base. Cuban beer, Hatuey, was a favorite at the enlisted club and the ball field was named Hatuey Field.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I see, its a car collectors dream come true down there. I think the cars are from the days Marty was there. There must be some good mechanics there too!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few comments on the Cuban situation.

First, Vietnam is a communist country as is China. Yet we do business with them, often to the detriment of our own citizens. Why should Cuba be different? They're no threat to our businesses, except our baseball teams.

Next, if we resume relationships with Cuba, they may not be as willing to made deals with our opponents. Remember, they're not an affluent country and they have to get help from where they can. We certainly have those deals with countries. They're not driving those 50s and 60s cars just because they think it's a neat thing to do.

And, what has Cuba really done to us? How many of our people have they killed? How often have they attacked us? So why do we treat Cuba differently? The Floridian politicians are very vocal regarding Cuban democracy, but it is on the return of refugees property on hich they seem to focus. One such property is Bacardi Rum, for example, which is doing well in the Bahamas. We didn't require that for Vietnam so why for Cuba? Probably more ex-Cubans vote in Florida than ex-Vietnamise in California.

I missed my opportunity to visit Cuba when we were in Florida, but it should be a lovely place to cruise. I think it shouldn't be reserved for those Canadians, Europeans, etc.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget the politics - what a cool, "Bucket List" destination.
Byrdman - get it on the events page and sign us up!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:10 pm    Post subject: Cuba and Beyond Reply with quote

Me too! Want to go to Cuba, the Keys, and Bahamas on my C-Dory! Also the North Channel of northern Lake Huron. Just need time off and a trailer/tow combo! Wolfgang also says he's interested!
Sign us up!
Joyce and Wolfgang

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sign us up, too. Been waiting for this for a long time. Would make a great several week cruise.

Let's check out the approved categories and find one we can fit in.

Tom
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No this is fun. Have not been on the Brat site for at least a week. Heard about Cube on the news, and did some brief looking at distances. Hhmmmmm, think it could be done, and might be interested. Patrick, check the hurricane forecasts and keep posting.

Harvey
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some years back I wintered in the Exumas. A few couples were experienced and
very pro on Cuba and so gave Sunday AM beach presentations to many interested
on "Going to Cuba".

This group wasn't interested in older cars; rather "virgin reefs" to snorkel,
"world class" fishing (both line and spear) along with "untouched" beaches and
landscapes.

That appealed to me. But now, I'd go for the rum, cigars and friendly people.

And there's another dark greasy side to Cuba. Remember the US invasion of
Grenada. Not too long afterwards, I caught word from many locals a few
islands up, St Lucia I think, who warmly welcomed the US for defeating the
Cuban invasion. I heard from several who lost family to the Cuban forces
doing all the wartime unmentionables to the locals - men, women, children =
as they swept through the island chain before the US arrival.

Methinks there is still anti US feelings alive there on the dictatorship side but,
by now, who of us gringos would be able to tell walking around drooling on their cars?

Aye.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak to Cuba directly, but when I have boated to other countries in which you would expect to find some anti US bias (because of history), I have found the regular everyday people to be very open and friendly to one individual visitor (vs. perhaps, a faceless "nation") - especially one who went to the extra effort to arrive by small boat and who is genuinely interested in the country and its people.

I went in expecting to feel like the Ugly American and instead met nice people who were as interested in me as I was them - person to person. It was a nice surprise. Were there others who had bad feelings I didn't know about - probably, almost surely. And I never lost the awareness that compared to many locals, I was a "billionaire" (we had people come aboard who would have been extremely happy just to have one empty 5-gallon jerry jug, never mind the fuel or water inside it). But the overwhelming feeling was of people interested in getting to know other people.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a long time before US tourists will be allowed to openly go to and return from
Cuba then back into the US. That requires congressional action, which lately is an
oxymoron.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject: foreign travel Reply with quote

Sunbeam, you are so right. My years in the Caribbean and South America taught me that people treat you with the same respect you give them. That goes for fellow cruisers as well as locals. I helped stoke a fire for a pig roast given by a retired IBM executive officer in the DR (hosted by SV Champagne), and I stirred a pot of goat souse under a tin one room hut in Grenada (Guest of a local military guard). Governments always seem to have differences. People are people.
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