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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
Photos: SeaDNA
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: How many mistakes can you spot in this story? |
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See - this link for a recent tale of several hours a guy spent afloat with a Coleman cooler. _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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colobear
Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 2154 City/Region: Denver
State or Province: CO
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Photos: C-Cakes
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Wow,
A good story with too many mistakes to count...but, they are all alive. _________________ Patti and Barry
formerly C-Cakes, now
rving around N. America |
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Jack in Alaska
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1190 City/Region: Anchorage/Ninilchik
State or Province: AK
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 26 Pro Angler
Vessel Name: HIGH TIDE II
Photos: HIGH TIDE II
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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That story had a great ending and result.
If that had happened in my water here in Alaska (42F) the story would have been much shorter. All of that goes through ones mind when out on the water and I hope it forces some common sense into me and you. _________________ On the HIGH TIDE-II, wife Carolyn and I.....Another summer fishing on the HIGH TIDE II in the Cook Inlet at Cape Ninilchik, Alaska.
HIGH TIDE-II; 2005 26' ProAngler; 2003 200 Honda / 2009 9.9 Honda high thrust
No. CD026021I405; AK-5008-AK
MSSI No. 338143486(cancelled)
HIGH TIDE; 1983 Angler Classic 22'; 90 Honda/ 9.9 Tohatsu-sold 2009 to son Dan (flatfishfool)
Stolen & stripped in Aug. 18
Bare hull & trailer sold in Nov. |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7896 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
C-Dory Model: 27 Cruiser
Vessel Name: to be decided later
Photos: Susan E
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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mistakes he did not mention.
1) no whistles on the vest. this could have helped when the other boats where near by.
2) No training. Susan is getting a class on popping flares tomorrow whether she likes it or not.
3) apologizing for prayer> Iam not a prayer or believer but if you are never apologize for it.
4) Life jackets. never can say it enough.
5) Iam looking in to a water tight cell phone case, but a radio in the ditch bag would be great. hell even a disposable cell phone in a water tight case might be a good idea.
6) bigger bilge pump?
7) I thought boats under 20 ft were supposed to float? even if rolled over and just the bow up? _________________ Thomas J Elliott
http://tomsfishinggear.blogspot.com/ |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7896 City/Region: marysville
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1984
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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on the whistles. try yelling at another boat some time. Does not work very well. Then pull out a safety whistle and watch their heads spin. over looked piece of safety equipment. |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
Photos: SeaDNA
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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starcrafttom wrote: | on the whistles. try yelling at another boat some time. Does not work very well. Then pull out a safety whistle and watch their heads spin. over looked piece of safety equipment. |
Definitely. ATTACH one to each PFD and make sure that all on board are wearing one! |
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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OK with whistles! Used to be required equipment (among other things) to be attached to all life jackets when racing sailboats.
Question: Which type of whistle can be heard at a greater distance, one with a rotating cork ball inside (police/playground whistle), or one with a constant tone?
I think I'll opt to add a gas powered horn also for a ditch bag. They can be deafening up close and heard a long ways away.
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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C-Otter
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 211 City/Region: Superior
State or Province: WI
C-Dory Year: 1985
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Vessel Name: C-Otter
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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In Lake Superior you will last about 1/2 hr. if your lucky. 95% of the time you need long pants and a sweat-shirt. A whistle would not be of much help.c-Otter |
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starcrafttom
Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 7896 City/Region: marysville
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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if you read the story two boats where in sight but could not hear him. a whistle could be a life saver. better to have it and not need it then not have it. |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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C-Otter wrote: | In Lake Superior you will last about 1/2 hr. if your lucky. 95% of the time you need long pants and a sweat-shirt. A whistle would not be of much help.c-Otter |
Depends on where in Lake Superior you are. In the Western part of the lake and SE part of the lake, current surface water temps are around 70F (similar to the water they encountered in Lake Michigan) and survival times of several hours are common at those temps. In central Lake Superior, current surface temps are in the low to mid 60's and one to a few hours are what one can expect at those temps. As for the whistle, as Tom points out, they had boats within sight that didn't see or hear them. The high frequency noise from a whistle travels much farther than the noise from a shout or yell and could have made all the difference.
Next time you're out with a buddy boat, put a little distance between yourself and them and then test out the whistle vs. shouting. Use the radio to confirm whether or not you could hear the whistle vs. the shout. I'm willing to bet you'll be quite surprised at the difference in distance over which you can hear/detect a whistle. See this link for some distance testing of the audibility of various whistles |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20875 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
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Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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We do include whistles on our live jackets, and a couple by the doorway.
But, we each carry a waterproof hand held VHF radio, and a Personal Locator Beacon with us--either on the jacket or in the small ditch bag we carry.
The boat should have had floatation. 3 foot seas are very significant, early in the day--good chance that seas will increase.
The issue of an open transom, in on self bailing boat is a serious issue. The splash well in the C Dories have real virtues, but a self bailing hull is better. However, even a self bailing boat, when filled with a large wave is likely to capsize.
Agree so many mistakes--but even with mistakes, if life jackets, radios, EPRIBS are back ups which will save lives in the eventual danger. _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Good learning experience for this time. TOO MANY dumb choices. I don't believe you can call all of those "mistakes". Ignorance may be bliss, but it does not relieve one from the all encompassing laws of physics OR the responsibilities of taking someone with you in your boat. I this case, they got lucky (of someone upstairs was watching out for them). Which ever you believe, it could have turned out VERY BAD for all involved. Hope some lessons were learned.
Harvey
SleepyC _________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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C-Otter
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 211 City/Region: Superior
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Surface temp. in the 70's on Western Lake Superior are very rare and only go down about 6 inches on a clam day. Three foot waves are starting to white-cap, making it difficult to see a person in the water, their is also very little fishing traffic,not like Lake Michigan. With 3-0' waves the temp. is in the mid fifty's or less, plus when you hit the water it takes your breath away.
I'ved lived on the shore of the lake for over 82 years and seen it all, believe me, these people would have of had no chance to make it.
I have fished it and sailed it for many years (wooden boats and open flywheel motors) and it still scares me. C-otter |
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