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NORO LIM
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 875 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: NORO LIM (sold 12/12/14)
Photos: NORO LIM
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Pat Anderson wrote: | Well, you could do that. But for me, the absolutely most intriguing cruising grounds were between Calvert Island and Prince Rupert. This is the part I really regret not having been able to dawdle in. We had 7 days to make it from Blaine, WA, to Ketchikan to meet Patty's plane, and somehow the weather gods let us pass. So many cool placs we just zoomed by. We did get a good soak at Bishop Bay Hot Springs. Spending half a day with the keepers of the Ivory Island Light House, Brent and Slyvia Hacking, was a real highlight. Crossing Queen Charlotte Straight was a non-event for us, although we did get our fillings knocked about crossing Dixon Entrance, and that was supposedly "good" weather! |
Me too.
Can't speak for anyone else, but not rounding Cape Caution would have made me feel like I missed an essential part of the trip. I am well aware of what can go on in the waters around the cape, but I've rounded it four times now, and never faced anything more than long rollers with maybe a little chop on top. I've never had to wait out the weather to go, either. OTOH, last year on the Southbound return trip, I spent an unscheduled week in Ketchikan because the Dixon Entrance was simply not doable. In fact, I couldn't even get to Dixon, because I was in Clarence Strait facing the worst conditions I've ever experienced anywhere. By all accounts, as bad as Clarence Strait was, Dixon was worse.
Don't get me wrong, putting in at Prince Rupert would be a great way to experience the Inside Passage. Also, no one should extrapolate generalities about the relative safety of the Dixon Entrance versus Cape Caution based on a couple of accounts by a relative novice like me. (Pat's account, of course . . . well, I leave that to the reader's judgment. ) On a bad day at either place, the difference would make no difference. Be that as it may, for me personally, when I think about these trips, the area around Cape Caution stands out as a highlight. _________________ Bill, Formerly on NORO LIM
2001 CD 16, 2001-2006
2006 CC 23, 2006-2014 |
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: LIZZIE II
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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No matter where you begin, where you end, or how long you spend, as noted in the comments, this adventure is indeed a serious matter. Last evening, while following Sam's SPOT, he reached the open water between the mainland and Port Hardy and then doubled back to a cove on the east side of an Island. He was still there about 8 this morning. Fog? Wind? A log? No blog entry. I went for my walk and returned a few hours later to find his SPOT showing progress toward Port Hardy. Whew! Way to go Sam. _________________ MartyP
"...we're all in the same boat..." |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yep - he's now in Port Hardy - one of his planned fuel stops. I assume weather kept him in anchorage yesterday. _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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20dauntless
Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 879 City/Region: Mercer Island and Decatur Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Retriever and Nordic Tug 37
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, weather has been slowing us down yesterday and today. Was hoping to get around Cape Caution this afternoon, but the 10:30 AM forecast said we'd have 15-25 knots of wind at Cape Caution this afternoon (rising to 30), instead of the 15 knots previously forecast. It was already sloppy in Queen Charlotte Strait, so we headed for Port Hardy to wait for a weather window. Looks like we'll be here for several days too. Oh well.
As it turns out getting stuck here isn't all bad. I had strep throat a few weeks ago and finished the antibiotics on Saturday. I felt fine, but yesterday I felt my sore throat returning. This morning it was much worse, and a trip to the doctor here in Port Hardy confirmed that the strep has come back. So more antibiotics and I should be feeling better by the time we have good enough weather to continue.
I'll fill in some more details on the blog today or tomorrow, and try to get some more pictures online. Great trip so far, even though our progress has slowed. It looks like we'll have to hustle through the rest of BC, but I'll get to take my time on the return trip and visit some of the places I'm missing. _________________ My boating blog...http://samlandsman.blogspot.com/ |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 7313 City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Get well Sam. We're all watching. Be safe too..
Charlie _________________ CHARLIE and PENNY CBRAT #100
Captain's Cat II 2005 22 Cruiser
Thataway (2006 TC255 - Sold Aug 2013)
Captain's Cat (2006 TC255 - Sold January 2012)
Captain's Kitten (1995 CD 16 Angler- Sold June 2010)
Captain's Choice (1994 CD 22 Cruiser- Sold Jun 2007)
Potomac River/Chesapeake Bay
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ghone
Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 1428 City/Region: Nanaimo
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2011
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Kerri On
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Good on you Sam to hole up and look after yourself. You want to be in good shape to launch past C Caution. It can be a brute. I would not want to cross if 15 knots is forecast. I crossed in 25 knots nw in a sailboat and it kicked up 10 foot seas out there close together ones. I would wait for a dawn crossing and as calm as you can stand and do 20 knots. 2 plus hours would get you past most nastyness. Calvert island has a nice cove on the southeast corner. Get well. George |
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NewMoon
Joined: 21 Dec 2008 Posts: 430 City/Region: Holladay
State or Province: UT
C-Dory Year: 1991
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Cindy Sea
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Hi Sam,
You may already have heard much of this, but just in case you haven't, here's a bit from my book that might provide a good tip or two:
Crossing the Queen
Beyond the more protected environment east of Vancouver Island, “Crossing the Queen” (Queen Charlotte Sound) to the BC North Coast represents a significant milestone for many cruisers. This open water crossing including some 30-40 exposed miles can provide a real challenge in winds and seas. It can be rather long but no big deal, or in the wrong combination of wind and tidal currents it can become a small boat’s worst nightmare.
Obviously you wouldn’t want to be out there in strong winds, but there’s more to the analysis than just wind speed. In our experience, one combination to be avoided is a strong ebb current flowing west with westerly winds greater than 12-15 knots. Similarly, a flood current with a southeast wind might not be a good choice. Small aluminum mail boats cross the Queen regularly, and they tell us that even 20 knot winds can be no great challenge, if not opposed to current. I’d stick with a max of 15. BC’s VHF marine weather gives actual conditions at key points, like Pine Island and Egg Island, which can really help you decide when to go.
In ”normal” weather, with wind primarily from the NW, calmer in the morning and building in the afternoon, a fast boat with an early start can avoid much of the challenge. But crossing at slow speeds you’ll be out there for quite a while, and you’ll want to pay careful attention to tides and weather. You don’t have to run all the way from Port McNeill or Port Hardy up to Rivers Inlet in one fell swoop. There are protected anchorages at Blunden Harbour, and closer to Cape Caution at Miles Inlet, Skull Cove, and others near Nakwakto Rapids.
There’s a special situation along the way you certainly want to avoid: wind from the west at the same time as a strong ebb current through the Nakwakto Rapids, flowing huge quantities of water from Seymour and Belize Inlets out through the narrow Slingsby Channel. This can set up a train of large and steep waves, starting in the mouth of Slingsby and continuing on westward for a mile or more in the open ocean. Check the Nakwakto current tables to see if this combination is likely, and if so steer clear, further out west than you might otherwise. _________________ Richard Cook
Dream Catcher (Nordic Tug 37, 2016 to present)
New Moon (Bounty 257, 1998 to 2016)
Cindy Sea (CD 22 Cruiser, from 1991 to 1998)
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20dauntless
Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 879 City/Region: Mercer Island and Decatur Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Retriever and Nordic Tug 37
Photos: Retriever
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice on getting past Cape Caution! It looks like tomorrow morning may be our chance...we'll see if the wind calms down as expected and then if the waves get quite a bit smaller and spaced further apart.
In other good news, the antibiotics I got here have made me feel better quickly and hopefully will get rid of the strep for good.
I just put a new blog post online and am hoping to be out of here about 5:00 tomorrow morning. There'll be several other boats heading out around then for the trip around Cape Caution, but most are sailboats and I'll be traveling much faster than them. |
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: LIZZIE II
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Jazzmanic
Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 2231 City/Region: Seattle
State or Province: WA
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Fascinating! That Spot map in real-time sure paints a great picture!
Thanks Marty for posting the link. _________________ Peter & Caryn
C-Dancer - 2005 22' Cruiser 2005-2017
Island Time - 2018 Ranger Tug 23 2017-2022
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NORO LIM
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 875 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: NORO LIM (sold 12/12/14)
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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At the moment (6:00 PM PDT) it looks like he's at Klemtu. If Sam's looking for fuel this evening, I hope there's someone there to help him. In my experience, the fuel dock attendant's lunch and dinner breaks can take a while. On our last stop there, we managed to find a guy who knew which house the attendant was likely to be having lunch in, and also had a phone that worked in Klemtu and got a message to the attendant that he had customers. That was at 2:00 in the afternoon. We only had to wait a couple more hours. If he doesn't get lucky, he may be there a while. Next likely fuel stop is a ways - probably Harley Bay if he's still trying to take the most direct route to make up for lost time.
Glad to see he got around the cape apparently in good shape! |
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bridma
Joined: 13 Sep 2011 Posts: 1155 City/Region: Comox
State or Province: BC
C-Dory Year: 2009
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Nomad
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject: Sam's Big Adventure |
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My son-in-law says he saw Retriever in Jacksons Pass about 5pm today bombing north. Way to go Sam.
Martin. |
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NORO LIM
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 875 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: NORO LIM (sold 12/12/14)
Photos: NORO LIM
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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I had the same question, Marty. I don't see any way to measure distances, other than just eyeballing it from some other scaled map.
Just noticed a typo in my previous post. It's "Hartley" Bay, not "Harley" Bay, that's the likely next fuel stop. Assuming he get's whatever fuel he needs in a reasonable time, and assuming the weather cooperates, Sam should make Prince Rupert easily tomorrow. And then the Dixon Entrance awaits him - another place, like Cape Caution, where careful attention to the weather is required, and an early morning start is usually the best plan. |
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dutch123
Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 195 City/Region: Prince George
State or Province: BC
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Wow Sam your moving at a good speed! Next fuel stop is Hartley bay, I was just down at butedale and louis has no fuel. Hope there is time to stop at bishop bay, it's unfortunate to have to race past all the sites. Good luck with the Dixon entrance. _________________ My dream boat has arrived! |
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NORO LIM
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 875 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2006
C-Dory Model: 23 Venture
Vessel Name: NORO LIM (sold 12/12/14)
Photos: NORO LIM
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like Sam is at Bishop Bay right now. Glad he has time for the detour. |
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