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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I remember reading that the Tie-Down G5 brakes cannot be used w/ electric over hydraulic systems. Now why exactly, I didn't ask since we were not going to replace the working Titan surge acutator.
I got them here:
http://www.boattrailerpartssuperstore.com/product_p/82092.htm But it doesn't say anything in particluar as regards this.
However, here; http://www.easternmarine.com/tie-down-1175-ss-g5-disc-brake-assembly-6-lug-82092
it says:
Quote: | • TIEDOWN DISC BRAKES ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE USED WITH ELECTRIC-OVER-HYDRAULIC BRAKE ACTUATORS THAT PRODUCE MORE THAN 1000 PSI |
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Captains Cat
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I was referring to the "preciseness" of his statement.
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I got it Charlie. It was pretty funny on his part. 1,000.000001 psi. BANG!
I was commenting on just what I had remembered reading re: surge vs electric on this particular kit. It's interesting how one website specifically says it; one doesn't. |
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Will-C
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: Replacement of older G4 Tie Down disc brakes |
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Just one more reason to go with Kodiak disc brakes.
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I looked at the Kodiaks too. The reason I went w/ the G5's was we primarily boat in the Puget Sound (salt water) and I wanted the stainless rotors. The last coated set of brake rotors (G4s) showed heavy, deep rust in less than 5 yrs of use, and I religiously rinse/wash after every trip. Hopefully, these will last longer. Time will tell. |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Resurrecting an old thread:
I am replacing the worn, rusted brakes on our trailer, including all the hard/soft lines. Despite my rinsing after each dunking with Salt-Away in a pump sprayer, the calipers are rusted messes and one hard line already rusted thru. Two of the calipers/pistons also seized, creating drag on the rotor, which you all know is no bueno. I've already replaced one a few yrs ago and rebuilding them just was not an economically viable option IMO. So...
I decided to go with Tie Down Engineering G5s in stainless. I originally was going with Kodiaks, but the ones I wanted were out of stock with no availability date. I've had Tie Down before so I figured they'd be good. Wrong. The quality has tanked IMO.
The quality of the tooling of the calipers is awful. So bad that I had to clearance all four in order to get the slider pins lined up with the brackets. The slider pins are what hold the caliper to the brackets. The small amount of material I had to remove was minimal; probably 1/16" max. But still. I posted pics in my album.
I'll probably go with Kodiak or Dee Maxx in the future. |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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FOLLOW UP TO THE TIE DOWN ENG BRAKE SAGA:
When installing these crappy brakes, I cross-threaded one pin due to the issue I mentioned above; the bracket holes (threaded) not lining up with the caliper holes; and this is on "stainless" steel slider pins.
When I filed a warranty, the manufacturer (now Dexter Axle) said the items "shipped"...this after nearly a week of emails, calls, providing proof of purchase and photos of the crap slider pin/bracket. Yet I never received them. Two weeks later I inquired for shipping/tracking info. Then I got tracking info...the parts shipped THE NEXT DAY! So basically, they lied to me.
A sales guy at Eastern Trailer warned me that "the design of the TDE brakes is bad due to the pin design". But I went off my previous experience. Apparently, he was correct and I should have gone with Kodiaks, but like I said earlier, they were out of stock.
TDE sold their brake division to Dexter sometime between 2011 and 2021, 2013 I believe.
I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER SET OF BRAKES FROM TIE DOWN ENGINEERING AGAIN. |
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hardee
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:55 am Post subject: |
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Well isn't all this just fun. I am working on getting new Kodiak brakes on the other axle of my Pacific tandem trailer. I got all the parts except the brake lines and then the mechanic at the shop went away so I found another shop. Then they could get the thermaform brake lines. so I found them, now I am waiting for an appointment to get the work done. After hearing how easy brakes are, and watching some of U-Tube university I will be happy to have it done by the pros, and if there is a problem, then they get to fix it. This will be a relief to get it done. Kodiak Stainless discs, new surge actuator by UFP, new pads all around, and new thermaform lines throughout.
Harvey
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colbysmith
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Harvey, with all that, I'm surprised you didn't go with an electric over hydraulic actuator. Yes, you would have to have or add a brake controller to your tow vehicle, but you'd have much better control over your trailer brakes. A new EOH actuator would run around $750. But sounds like the labor is already there with replacing the surge actuator. If your tow vehicle is already wired for electric brakes, the only other addition would be adding the wiring harness to the trailer at the actuator. Colby |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Old thread:
We went to use our boat and I discovered fluid down the port rear wheel and a blown caliper the cause. Removed the wheel to diagnose the problem and found the one pad had worn so much that the piston pushed past its limit and leaked. I suspect that caliper was “dragging” for an as yet unknown reason. These brakes are only two years old and were installed in spring 2021.🤬
Looking for parts and after numerous phone calls I discovered that the brakes/hub division of Tie Down Engineering no longer exists. As mentioned above they were sold to Dexter in 2017. In essence, Dexter dissolved Tie Down. So they have no parts and no longer support the brand. |
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alainP
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Try this:
https://www.loadrite.com/
I've been getting TieDown brake parts and a spare caliper and pins from them
Some of them are re-branded as Dexter but same parts as the old TieDown. |
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localboy
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I’ll give it a shot. |
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alainP
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you know that already: Loctite 263 is a must on the threads of the caliper pins. |
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localboy
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, thanks. I used red high strength upon assembly. |
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