How about...a Marinaut 25?

[Les Lampman]

[Les Lampman]

[Les Lampman]

[Les Lampman]

[Will-C]

self draining decks seem to be the norm on the east coast anyway, if you can do it in the design phase I think it would be a good idea. Otherwise folks would feel the need to keep the back covered if moored or on a dock with out shore power.
D.D.

[Les Lampman]

[thataway]

OK, I get the concept that you want simple and light--and if folks want more-it can be done. I am a bit torn on that issue--since I always end up loading up a boat--because we do at least month trips--and want semi luxuries, as well as storage. That also fits with those who are retiring and doing the loop--and still want light weight boats for towing....

Getting back to the seating--and what Bill Uffelman suggested on the layout of the North Pacific 28. It has the side settee. We made an RV in a van expanded to 8 feet, using just that type of settee, and it was our main bunk (folding out to 48" wide) as well as dining for 4. How important is a forward facing seat?--or can one put a pedestal seat forward if it is essential (for example I have a helm type of seat on the forward platform of my Caracal, which is early removed). On the other hand, Marie rarely sat in the forward seat of the C Dory 25 or Tom Cat--often sat athwart ships in the rear seat with a good book.

The 6' 6" settee on the port side, which easily seats 4--two tables easily removed from pedistals--and light weight will give the eating room. This still preserves the isle. The bottom cushion is in 3 sections--two make the back rest, and fold down when in bunk mode.

Isn't the interior "semi custom" anyway--since currently it is done by hand? So the interior design could be fit to what ever the buyer wanted? For example I might want the port side head, wider, and the settee/gaucho and a long galley, instead of the dinette, stb side head and shorter galley.

As for self bailing; It was impressed in my brain by my father about 70 years ago that a self bailing cockpit was very desirable in any offshore boat. I considered that a "weakness" of the C Dory 22--but in reality, it never was a problem (but we kept the back covered most of the time with canvas).
Most fishermen do like the self bailing feature--wash down the deck to get rid of the blood and scales! Safety wise, with a light boat, and the way these are used--maybe not as much of an issue. I would buy a 255 without a self bailing cockpit.

One final comment on the head. We found the C Dory 25 to harder to use (related to my size @ 6' 2" 180 lbs) that the Tom Cat--and there is only a few inches difference--plus some headroom less in the 25. As for showering--it was rare we showered in either, but sponge baths were common--less water, and less mess.

Certainly an interesting discussion!

[Will-C]

We were at a boat show in Newport R.I. a couple weeks ago and saw a Rosbourgh(sp?) that had a hull extention built under the outboard motors bracket. They said it helped keep the bow down. The scuppers for the self bailing cockpit came right thru the hull extention and stuck out to the rear of it about three inches. They had flexible hoses clamped on to the the ends of the scupper drains with a small cord attached to the far end of the hose so you could pull up on the hose so it would fold over and be up out of the water so that if you had a extra weight or people in the cockpit these hoses being folded over would prevent water from entering the scupppers. They had a little cord lock set up so you could let the hose fall back straight and the scuppers could drain normally. You can always furnish drain plus for scuppers but I don't know if what I saw was a Rosborugh deal or something the dealer who I believed was from Maine had rigged up. The boat had twin 115hp ETEC's
D.D.

[Bill Uffelman]

Les I wasn't suggesting the 28' for you to build, someone had a wish list and I thought of the 28' as a boat that met that list.

I'm all for the M25 as described.

Bill Uffelman
In Ocean View DE for a couple of weeks

[nimrod]

For me, when I find myself thinking about a 25' C-Dory, I always get jolted back to reality when I realize I'd need a bigger truck. Since I have no intention of buying a bigger truck just so I can tow a boat, a 25' Marinaut w/the specs Les is talking about just might be do-able.

jd

[hardee]

Les, WOW, you have really taken on the tiger by the tail. So I still have, and love my CD-22. My wish list for it is a head and shower. (Not a sun shower in the open cockpit . So Don't know if that will ever happen but here you are starting out fresh so how about;

To decrease some weight, water and tankage requirement? An Air Head. No holding tank requirements, and no flush water required. There are several in service on the C-Dory fleet and I have not heard anything but good about them.

Not sure if it would work to combine the air head and a shower enclosure, but if so, that drain would go to a gray water tank, like the same as the sink drain, eliminating the black water holding tank, macerator pump, and the extra flush water usage.

I agree that a 4 seater table with a forward facing copilot seating is a must. (either a reversible seat or a permanent one) and maybe you can get more table side length with a parallelogram shape than a rectangle. If the acute angle was on the outside, forward port corner, there might be rom for a pedistile type mate seat closer to center, but not blocking v-birth access. Just my thoughts.

Wishing you the best,

Harvey
SleepyC

I think I would like to stay with the smaller, lighter version of build.

[rogerbum]

Les, on further thought and reflection, what you really need to build is the Marinauti-cat.

[BrentB]

Marinaut 26 sounds cooler

[Les Lampman]

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