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hardee
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 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:09 am Post subject: Re: Which flag staff to purchase ? |
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| bridma wrote: | On my Port and Stbd quarter I have two Scotty rod holder mounts. I do not fish, so they are not in use. Decided not to remove them as they are not in my way. They would make a good base to mount a staff and flag. I checked out the Scotty misc items on line, never saw anything that could work. Any ideas anyone ?
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As described earlier on in the thread, I use a rod holder for a nice, secure mount in the right (general) area for display on a powered pleasure craft. The pole was a West Marine, teak and I shim it into the holder with a couple of plastic shopping bags, twisting as it goes in, it gets tight and stays secure.
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bridma
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: Which flag staff to purchase ? |
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Hi Harvey,
Thanks for the reply. I did look at your pic earlier before I posted my question. I do not have a rocket launcher style rod holder on the stern like you. If I did, I would copy your example. Mine is a black ring Scotty mount, you can see it clearly in pic #12 in my album. I was wondering if anyone had something similar and had found an attachment to make it into a flag staff holder? The Scotty fishing gear website actually show a pic of this black ring and call it a "fender tie off ring" ! The rod holder that goes on this mount is no good for a flag staff. It is the type where you lay your rod in the holder and then turn the cuff to lock it in. I could use my rod holders on the radar arch, but then the flag is in the wrong place.
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dotnmarty
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I use this type
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ghone
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I have been concerned regarding proper etiquette with flags as I have been in US waters a fair bit and want to be appropriate. Kerri On has a flag staff astern for the Canadian flag and in US waters I fly the US flag on the anchor light pole. Is there a better way to show a courtesy flag? I didn't want it on the bow rail as that is for club pennants. I try to remember to strike colors by sunset it's just one of those traditions to show respect for country. I found myself this past season taking a moment of gratitude while putting flags away for being able to live free. Flags mean a lot. George |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ghone wrote: | | I have been concerned regarding proper etiquette with flags as I have been in US waters a fair bit and want to be appropriate. Kerri On has a flag staff astern for the Canadian flag and in US waters I fly the US flag on the anchor light pole. Is there a better way to show a courtesy flag? I didn't want it on the bow rail as that is for club pennants. |
George,
Just wondering what you ever worked out for flying a courtesy flag (my 22 seems to be missing a starboard spreader  ).
If anyone else has input, that would also be welcome.
Sunbeam |
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amy and karl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Taylor Made has a great rail mount flagpole and socket that fits the factory radar arch nicely. We have a couple on c-daisy that have held up well for a few years now. I don't think you would have to ever replace it.
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Sunbeam
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, Karl,
I don't have a radar arch, but perhaps I could mount the same type of flag holder from the starboard/forward handrail - although that might not work with certain dinghy types... not sure on that yet. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| thataway wrote: | | The proper place to fly an American Flag is from a stern staff of a boat under power. It is fairly easy to fit a proper stern staff to any of the C Dories. An American flag should have an inch on the fly for each foot of the over all length of the vessel--thus a 22 foot C Dory would fly a 24" long flag. |
I am all for flags, but a 24 inch flag on a C-Dory seems kinda big to me. |
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Bill K
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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This is what I use on my radio antenna, it works very well.
Watch the video.
http://www.flag-flyer.com/products.html
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Sunbeam
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| ssobol wrote: | | thataway wrote: | | An American flag should have an inch on the fly for each foot of the over all length of the vessel--thus a 22 foot C Dory would fly a 24" long flag. |
I am all for flags, but a 24 inch flag on a C-Dory seems kinda big to me. |
I've used this guideline (1" on fly for each foot of boat length) and found it to work well. Granted, it was on a larger boat, so maybe something is lost in translation/proportion on a smaller one? That said, I find a generously sized flag to look nice, whereas a "smallish" flag sort of looks meager to me. I guess I figure if I'm going to fly my country's flag, lean to the generous side.
Too, it needs to be larger than the courtesy flag, and I don't want that flag to seem "minature," so there's that.I guess I'll start with a 24"-on-the-fly U.S. flag and see how it looks.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ssobol wrote: | | thataway wrote: | | The proper place to fly an American Flag is from a stern staff of a boat under power. It is fairly easy to fit a proper stern staff to any of the C Dories. An American flag should have an inch on the fly for each foot of the over all length of the vessel--thus a 22 foot C Dory would fly a 24" long flag. |
I am all for flags, but a 24 inch flag on a C-Dory seems kinda big to me. |
I am proud of my country. Chapman's page 855, 66 edition--the most recent I have of 3--states: Size of Flags....."US Ensign (the 50 Star Flag with stripes), should be one inch on the fly for each foot of boat length."
On a power boat the proper place to fly a courtesy flag (Flag of the country visited) is the bow staff. Some power boats have a flag mast--and fly the courtesy flag from a Stb Spreader. Some have flown it from the Stb antenna, if strong enough. I have done this lacking a bow staff. Don't forget the quarantine flag--I use the Stb VHF antenna, about 2 feet off the cabin top. The courtesy flag should not be set until the vessel has cleared into the country --Chapman--(but some countries require that the flag be hoisted on crossing their border).
From the US Power Squadron on the Courtesy Flag vs the Burgee:
"If your vessel is mastless, it should wear this "courtesy flag" at the bow, in lieu of a squadron or club burgee, or on a starboard antenna strong enough to support it. It your vessel has one or more masts, display it single-hoisted at the outboard signal halyard of the main starboard spreader. Move any flag normally flown there to the inboard starboard halyard or, if your boat has only one halyard per side, to the port spreader halyard.
The customs observed in various foreign waters differ from one another. Try to learn the correct procedure for the country you are entering. For example, is some countries it is customary to fly the courtesy flag only after the quarantine flag (the yellow 'Q' flag) and the vessel has been granted pratique by the appropriate authorities.
Do not fly a foreign courtesy flag after you have returned to U.S. waters. It is not to be used as a badge of accomplishment for having cruised to another country."
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Rob & Karen
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| Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Here are a few pics of our 24 inch flag. I think the size is just right.
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starcrafttom
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | sport fishers--where the flag is flown aft the tuna tower, to keep the cockpit coaming clear for fishing lines. |
this is why I like to fly my flag from the radar arch.
i just watched the video of the flag holder that goes over the vhf antenna. That is slick and just what i was looking for. I'm going to make a couple of those and see how I like them.
I had flown a old cbrat bungee from the anchor light but it wore it out and broke it.
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Sunbeam
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| thataway wrote: |
"If your vessel is mastless, it should wear this "courtesy flag" at the bow, in lieu of a squadron or club burgee, or on a starboard antenna strong enough to support it." |
Thanks for that. So it looks like either a bow staff or a staff mounted on the starboard/fwd. handrail would work (I don't think my VHF antenna would support a flag, although it is to starboard). |
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ShellBack
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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KO. I do have scotty down riggers but have no separate rod holders as they are mounted on the the riggers. I do not need any more rod holders in the boat. I want to fly our flag correctly at the stern but no mounts without putting holes in Thalassa for mounts. Not going to happen. I have thought of maybe mounting on the swim grid rail and just have to find a angled bracket that opens and clamps so that I do not have to undo any mounting. Suggestions ???  |
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