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SENSEI



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howdy there Mr Fisherman
it has been a long time for you to post here. I looked to see, your last post was 2008. welcome back .I was wonderin where you had gone.....lol.....

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ray, how the heck's it going, have you got all of those tuna harvested yet?...damn I had a spot penciled in to do your boat in 2009 but didn't hear from you Smile

Folks, what you might find when installing the insulating goop is that it may look nice after installing but it's nearly impossible to keep it clean and stain free without a topcoat with something with a harder, cleanable surface.

Our tub is still looking good

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to have this done on my interior. Have been trying to track down Richard Stratton and Advanced Coatings, but not having much success.

Anybody have a good contact to reach this company or a local rep in the Seattle area. Hopefully they will re-extend favorable pricing for members here who wish to undertake this endeavor.

Also it seems like the thread began to promote another competing product. Is that the better one between the 2?

Your help is appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reached Richard Stratton with Advanced Coating Solutions in Bellevue, WA. They have developed a new "in house" formula similar to the Mascoat. I have ordered 5 gallons of it and will hopefully be applying it within the next few weeks.

He is offering a discount to c-brats members. Upon installation, I will provide a report.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resurrecting this thread for some updates (if available)...

I am planning on adding some type of interior coating to my 25 this fall or next spring. After reading through this thread a couple times, it sounds as if there are three basic options for coatings:
Mascoat DBM - works well to reduce condensation, best application is via airless sprayer.
SC 1000 - can be brushed, available by the gallon. Seems to be optimized for sound reduction more than reducing condensation.
"New" coating from Advanced Coating Solutions - No reviews available. I found their website, but it includes less detail than Mascoat's in terms of application instructions.

I'd prefer something that can be brushed, as I have no experience spraying and would prefer to not have to rent a sprayer for several days. Looking for any updates related to new coating from ACS or from those who have applied Mascoat via brush.

As always, thanks to everyone for the wealth of information you have generously shared.

Les
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back when we were building boats, we used a 3/16" thick PVC flexible sheet foam, which we glued on the fiberglass, or we glued it on door skins (1/8" thick pieces of plywood, and used teak battens to hold it in place. That way we had area to run wires etc in the ceiling.

I have also used various types of foam from 3/8" to 5/8" glued to the hull, and then covered with very thin formica type of covering, or fabrics. This gave good surfaces, plus excellent insullation.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LesR wrote:
Resurrecting this thread for some updates (if available)...

I am planning on adding some type of interior coating to my 25 this fall or next spring. After reading through this thread a couple times, it sounds as if there are three basic options for coatings:
Mascoat DBM - works well to reduce condensation, best application is via airless sprayer.
SC 1000 - can be brushed, available by the gallon. Seems to be optimized for sound reduction more than reducing condensation.
"New" coating from Advanced Coating Solutions - No reviews available. I found their website, but it includes less detail than Mascoat's in terms of application instructions.

I'd prefer something that can be brushed, as I have no experience spraying and would prefer to not have to rent a sprayer for several days. Looking for any updates related to new coating from ACS or from those who have applied Mascoat via brush.

As always, thanks to everyone for the wealth of information you have generously shared.

Les


Les

I installed the "NEW" coating from Advanced Coating Solutions this past spring. I believe this product to be very similar to the Mascoat. Having applied it, I do not think you could use a brush or roller but rather need a compressor and paint gun to apply it.

I purchased 5 gallons of the product from Richard Stratton along with a applicator gun for an additonal $25 I believe. We hooked up the paint gun to our air compressor which we already had.

The hardest and most time consuming part of the application is the masking and prep before applying the product itself. There is also some dry time involved between coatings of the product and paint layers. I can detail what all we did in the process from start to finish.

1. remove all contents from the boat cabin
2. clean all the surfaces to receive the product (scrubbed with cleaning solution).
3. Masked all areas that needed to be protected from the insulation (Paper, plastic, tape).
4. Sprayed 2 coats of product on walls, ceiling, and inside sponson till it was used up
5. Sprayed 2 coats of latex interior paint in the same color as the mascoat (white).

We are very happy with the finished product. I would guestimate that the product is around 2-3mm thick. The paint looked really nice over the finish. We used an eggshell sheen. In hindsight, we should have used a semigloss as the paint is scuffed with some discoloration in 5 months of use. I do feel like a semigloss would have allowed a bit more cleanability.

I can post more details and photos in a later write up. Just wanted to give a quick summary in hopes it might help you or someone else looking into this.

Strong endorsement of this product and its ability to help retain warmth while reducing condensation considerably.

PM with any specific Q's you might have.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know what type of insulation was in the cabin and Vberth of the Venture that was displayed at the Seattle Boat Show. I asked the attendants who were there and they did not know. It appeared to be a foam product with a vinyl exposed surface and 1/4"-3/8" thick. It was very well done with virtually no interior area not insulated.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing to consider is that these foam with vinyl glued in place do separate when the glue fails. Also if moisture gets in back of the vinyl it can be a source of mold.

The 26 which was for sale in Mobile, AL had a sagging headliner and several places where there was mold growing on the interior surface--plus some unknown place of water intrusion into the boat.

Another C Brat told me had also had problems with the headliner falling down. I have made these headliners on door skins, which were sealed with epoxy, and then used teak strips to hold them in place. That way there is a way to access behind the panel for wiring, and they will not separate.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember seeing a camper van in the 70's that had foam insulated panels held to the steel inside with thick silicon grease. They were very removable and stuck in place well.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like another option.

http://www.noxudolusa.com/products/thermal-insulation-products/

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just applied my first coat of the advanced coatings from Richard Stratton.

The preparation seems to be the hardest part. After reading all the information on the forum from carpeting the v-berth to other similar coatings, I went with advanced coatings product. The product was about 15 minutes from my house.

If anyone is interested in applying this material, I have about 4 gallons available. What I don't use, Richard said he would buy back from me. I also have the sprayer available. I live in the Renton area.

I'm hoping for some dry mornings with all this effort.

Brett
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