Pain free insulation solution

[breausaw]

[Levitation]

Hey Seabeagle, how you folks doing?

I agree with the skepticism about the R values quoted... Also, their literature has some contradictions.. They say 50% to 80% sound reduction and then also say that is 1 to 3 dB...

Now, having expressed my reservations I actually hope their claims are met as they would be a massive improvement in time and cost for insulation and sound deadening in many, many applications...

cheers...

denny, char, and Pasta
BTW Levitation has been christened Charlotte Ann

[B~C]

Ya'all can debate the R values all you want, all I know is that we've been enjoying a much more comfortable boat for the last six years There are many ways to insulate a boat, all good, I started this thread to present one option I found in my quest to an insulation solution that didn't involve scissors or glue.

the voices in my head don't alloe me to have scissors

[breausaw]

[seabeagle]

Hey Levitation, been fine over here except for the cold. I had a thought of having an insulation company spray a half inch or so of foam in the inside and then paint it. R-value, sound deadening, and flotation in case of submersion. Think it will work?

[localboy]

Questions: B~C you said you covered it w/ Zolatone. Which one? How did you apply it? I see it's basically a water based paint and says it must be sprayed on. Why did you choose that particular product?

I think we're gonna start w/ the entire V-berth area and go from there. I'd like to cover it in a "splatter" type of paint to match the original as closed as possible.

Of course it needs to warm up a bit here first and if the rain stopped, I wouldn't complain either.

[B~C]

hey there, I was going to use zolatone but decided against it, I went with an interior paint that matched the factory off white color. the zolotaone would have left me with a multicolor interior

[Ron on Meander]

[localboy]

Like an interior house paint?

Rolling something on would be MUCH less messy than spraying, although I may just bite the bullet, mask off the entire V-berth and spray insulation & paint in one crack.

[tomherrick]

I used Sherwin-Williams' All-surface Oil-based Enamel over my spray-on insulation and like it quite well. It's tough stuff and the surface is easy to clean. As part of the boat redo, I'll spray on several more coats of Mascoat insulation in the cabin and top off with some more of the enamel.

[breausaw]

Before you paint over Delta T I recommend you call or email Richard Stratton with Mascoat, I am pretty sure he recommends using latex based interior paint not oil based..but could be wrong on that.

Also, if you have specific questions regarding R value or understanding the thermodynamics or their products he’s the guy to talk to.

Richard (Dick) Stratton
> Tel: 425.785.0902
RichardS@Latitude47.com

[localboy]

I contacted Richard via e-mail last night;

[breausaw]

I used the entire 5 gallons, wish I had a gallon or two more but 5 gallons did the trick but that was for the cabin and v birth on a 22. Don’t spray it on too thick, it’s kind of hard to tell but try not to anyways. When your goggles get covered it’s hard to see much of anything.
The hard part is getting the Delta T from the can into the spray bottle; at least it was for me. I ended up using a funnel and a cup to pour it in, than used a stick to plunge it down through the funnel.
I also had to thin it a bit but not much, and also opened the spray nozzle up to almost wide open.
To smooth out the rough spots a green scotch brite pad and water worked great, but don’t wait too long.
If you get too far away from the surface you’ll get spatter that will feel like 20 grit sandpaper when it dried..Hence the scotch brite pad.

[tomherrick]

I used five gallons on the cabin from anchor locker to cockpit. I was impressed by how much it helped, but wish it had been thicker. I got little square dry sample from my supplier that I'm guessing was about .040 or so. The five gallon spraying didn't come near that. When I'm ready to spray again it'll get at least ten more gallons. I'm tempted to try out one of the microsphere additives this time. One of the vendors' Web presence seems a tad negative, but there are more now for me to check out. Maybe there'll be some at the Baltimore boat show tomorrow.

[localboy]

Well, Richard said he/they only sell it in 5 gallong buckets, but from reading your posts, it doesn't appear to be a problem. I guess I'll have to consider covering the cabin ceiling, walls and inside the cabinets. Much bigger job and a PIA to mask...