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El and Bill



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken --
We sure appreciate your doing the research on this db and thermal insulation material. Keep us posted when you apply to your boat and what you think of the stuff. Looks good.

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B~C



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wellll, I know I should be fishing but. I got tired of playing with my little chunk of test glass and went to slathering in the boat today.

Sound deadener or DeltaTdb - This stuff has about the same consistency and looks as aluminum roof sealer. For some reason I chickened out on trying to spray the stuff so I brushed on two thin layers in strategic locations. I did under the galley, back in the ice box hole and under the port, front seat. The stuff brushed on with no fuss or muss, it dried quick into a ugly black, hard surface. When/if I go for the total boat job I'll give spraying a try up in the rode locker.

Insulation - Once the db dried, I sprayed a coat of the insulation over the top. In spite of the manufactures info, this stuff doesn't brush on for beans, BUT, using a sandblasting gun with about a 3/16 orifice, the stuff sprays out in a real controllable, nice manner. The stuff comes out of the gun in about a two inch pattern with about no overspray, ya can really put the stuff where you want it. I had some second thoughts about spraying stuff around in the boat, but not now, if this stuff proves out I'm covering everything.

The boss stuck her nose in the boat when I was about done and wondered what was up, I told her to look under the sink....she didn't notice anything different..BINGO..that was was I was after, a quieter, warmer boat with no big visual impact. A person should paint or carpet over the insulation after it dries, I'm going to try some Krylon Plastic paint.
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Mr. Fisherman



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:13 pm    Post subject: Sweet! Reply with quote

Nice! I am definately interested.
Let me know what you expect the overall cost to be. Mine may be slightly less as I have an Angler with less cabin space.
I would also be interested in a group purchase and equipment rental/loan program.

What would it take to form an extra credit line? Laughing

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B~C



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Ray, let me get done trashing my boat and I'll have a better idea how much goo it takes. If the stuff works out good then I'll post the salesguy's e-mail address and he'll sell it to ya at the special low C-Dory owners group price (which aint much more than a gallon of good house paint). I'm not to keen on loaning out my equipment however, if a group of C-Nuts wanted to get together for a sprayer meeting, I'd be game
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Mr. Fisherman



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken, I think I'd rather have you on the handle end anyway. How many half racks of Northern brew would that run me? Rolling Eyes Laughing Mr. Green Beer Beer Cocktail Teeth
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B~C



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheesh, no problem Ray....hummm...lets see,...I could schedule you in for early 2009. Smile

I think this stuff is the ticket but I'm going to give a few weeks to age before I slather the whole boat. It looks to me like 3 gallons of the insulation would do a pretty good job of covering the yacht. One gallon of the Db would be more than enough.
http://www.coatingsolution.com/home/contact_us.php

The e-mail contact on that web site is that of the person that came to the school.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken,
I'm interested in this stuff too. Not necessarily the sound deadener, but definitely the insulation. The noise of the boat doesn't bother me, but I really dislike the condensation in the boat during longer trips.

Have you mentioned this stuff to the factory? I'm going to have my boat in there around the 1st of April, and I'd like to approach them about putting it on my boat while they have it. If it dries hard and white, why do you think you need to paint over it?
Lyle

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't mention this to the factory but it seems like this is something that could be done at the factory level with even less pain. I think it would add a fair amount to the comfort of the boat without adding much to the cost.

The insulation is somewhat porous so they recomend painting over it to seal the pores to aid in cleanup.

I'll snap some pics when I get home if there's still sun light.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's one of two pictures I stuck in the Tech gallery http://www.c-brats.com/modules.php?set_albumName=Cabin,Interior&id=galleyinsulation&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
The stuff dried up pretty solid, I was afraid it might be a little crumbly but it aint. I got a greasy finger print on it and it cleaned right off with some glass cleaner and a paper towel...I like it, I'm doing the whole boat
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's cool, B~C. You gonna do the whole fuel line, too?

When's it my turn? You got enough air hose to reach Cathlamet?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you damn betcha...it's an old hotrodder trick, cool fuel is more denser so you can pack more BTU's in the old combustion chamber.
I have about 60' of air hose, I'm a just a wee short
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken,
The pics look great. If that stuff is as good as 2in of foam that would be super. I just want to see if I have it straight. First you brushed on some black stuff for sound reduction. Then you sprayed on the white stuff for insulation?

Does it have any fumes so that you need to wear a breathing mask?

The proof will be when you take it out overnight when it is cold and do a lot of heavy breathing ( or cooking) and see if there is condensation. On our last trip to Lake Mohave we had drips on the Vberth overhead in the morning.

If this really works I would like to do the whole boat.

Steve
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B~C wrote:
Sheesh, no problem Ray....hummm...lets see,...I could schedule you in for early 2009. Smile



WOOHOO! I wonder if Tyboo will have my Barber chair conversion and kicker bracket done by then? Heck, I better get started on those trim tabs... Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, you're correct, I brushed on two light coats of the black stuff http://www.mascoat.com/dB.htm My major goal with this stuff is to reduce some engine noise and vibration. I don't think a person would want to coat the whole innerds with the Db as it is a rather heavy material. I then applied two coats of the insulation. A person should always wear a respirator when spraying but, I didn't and when I do the rest of the boat I won't. Because the stuff is thick, sticky and water based, you don't get a lot toxic stuff floating around the air, it pretty much just comes out of the gun and sticks on the boat.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super nice! I think I'm sold for sure. Thnx Thumbs Up
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