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journey on
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OK, the Raymarine SmartPilot X-5 Sport Pilot is a rework of the S-1000 which is no longer offered. The SmartPilot X-5 Sport Pilot now costs
$1500, but includes rate gyros, still no fluxgate compass. They use the same name for the sailboat autopilots, my bad.
The Raymarine ST70 SmartPilot X-10 Hydraulic System appears to be the cheapest Raymarine hydraulic autopilot and costs $2200. Also includes rate gyros and a fluxgate.
No sociological intent, just a comment.
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centerisland
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| journey on wrote: | | OK, the Raymarine SmartPilot X-5 Sport Pilot is a rework of the S-1000 which is no longer offered. |
I'm sorry, but that does not make sense. Where did you hear / read that Raymarine superceded a wireless hydraulic autopilot with a wired autopilot for cable steering?
The S1000 is the only entry under "Wireless Autopilot" on the Raymarine site:
http://www.raymarine.com/ProductDetail.aspx?SITE=1&SECTION=2&PAGE=1018&PRODUCT=3011
Also, the Raymarine autopilot page:
http://www.raymarine.com/Default.aspx?site=1§ion=2&page=5
has 4 featured sections on the right - the only entry under "Multimedia" is "S1000 Installation Video", and of the two "What's New" items, the second one is "S1000 Wireless Autopilot for Fishing Boats up to 25'" (the other is the "Wireless MOB System").
In fact, if I run through their "Autopilot System Builder" and say I prefer a below-deck autopilot, it recommends....the S1000.
I dunno - I think reports of the S1000's death are premature. |
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WineAdvisor
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:52 pm Post subject: In Conclusion |
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To those of you who showed constraint, and provided meaningful advice, I thank you.
Subsequent research, based upon your suggestions, led me to the Teleflex Marine BayStar Hydraulic Steering System. The following url provides extensive details.
http://ww2.seastarsteering.com/BAYSTAR/baystar.htm
A pdf file for helm pump installation is available on their website.
A quick google search showed that the complete kit (HK4200A) can be acquired on eBay or at Amazon at just over $500, including the shipping.[/url] |
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rogerbum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: In Conclusion |
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| WineAdvisor wrote: | | To those of you who showed constraint, and provided meaningful advice, I thank you.<stuff clipped> |
What about those who showed restraint and didn't comment at all? No love for the quite ones? 
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Captains Cat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: In Conclusion |
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| rogerbum wrote: | | WineAdvisor wrote: | | To those of you who showed constraint, and provided meaningful advice, I thank you.<stuff clipped> |
What about those who showed restraint and didn't comment at all? No love for the quite ones? |
Roger, I think he appreciates the quiet ones, not sure about the quite ones.
And me, an engineer too.... 
A new question, if two typos occur in the woods, does anyone notice? 
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nimrod
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I'd be interested to hear folks opinions on the costs/benefits of switching from mechanical to hydraulic steering on a 22" cruiser. As well as adding autopilot. Is the a/p mostly useful for fishing (trolling) or do people use it for navigation as well? Seems like a major outlay of funds to acquire the electronics for a/p.
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bburgin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I work on boats for a living,the Baystar will work just fine with the small horse power motor. |
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DaveS
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: Q tol |
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| nimrod wrote: | | Is the a/p mostly useful for fishing (trolling) or do people use it for navigation as well? Seems like a major outlay of funds to acquire the electronics for a/p. jd |
Hi J. D.,
Since I don't fish, I'll only address the usage of the auto pilot while cruising. There has probably never been a time that I've been out cruising that I have not used the auto pilot. Primarily, I "point and shoot" with it. Meaning I steer the vessel on a heading and activate the AP. This allows me to run a straight line from point A to point B and concentrate on watching for other vessels, logs in the water etc. If I'm cruising a long distance, I may run my target X out on my chart plotter and then activate the AP to "go to" that target. By running the straight line I'm certain that I am saving a bit of fuel on the cruise. If caught in the fog, there is no danger of "running around in circles" as the vessel maintains a predetermined course and again I can really concentrate on being a "look out" for other vessels, logs, etc. As Les at EQ told me when he outfitted Sea Shift.....an auto pilot is like having a good helmsman on board.
I would guess that there will be other C-Brats that think otherwise and don't feel as strongly about the auto pilot as I, but I do know that if I were to ever purchase another vessel it definitely would have the auto pilot.
(J.D. Nice day we're having here, we should be on the water!)
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centerisland
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| nimrod wrote: | | I'd be interested to hear folks opinions on the costs/benefits of switching from mechanical to hydraulic steering on a 22" cruiser. As well as adding autopilot. Is the a/p mostly useful for fishing (trolling) or do people use it for navigation as well? Seems like a major outlay of funds to acquire the electronics for a/p. |
The cost is pretty clear - about $500 for the Baystar and a few hours (I think it took me 4 hours total on an Arima I did a couple of years ago).
IMHO, the benefits are you can easily add a 2nd steering station, easily add a wireless autopilot (and you can do both if you add a HH5501 fitting kit), periodic maintenance of a hydraulic system is much less, and steering requires less effort, is balanced turning left and right, and provides greater precision (though with decreased feedback).
Ultimate reliability is probably a toss-up, but that's just a guess on my part and both systems are considered "reliable".
Autopilot usage when cruising varies mostly by personal preference - I would not use it when moving at greater than displacement speed. I'm not much of a fisherman, but I'd say it's pretty much a requirement for short-handed trolling. |
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Captains Cat
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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On a long transit, even at 20+knots, the ability not to have to keep your hands on the helm make the autopilot indispensable to me. With little traffic (usually no traffic where we are), I can walk around even. Very relaxing.
Besides, having the wireless AP leads to endless jokes with newbies about "voice steering" if you keep the control in your pocket...
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Wandering Sagebrush
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: Gonna Do It |
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I am going to finally get off my behonkus and replace our Teleflex steering with a SeaStar system.
I know that I will need a Helm, appropriate length hose, and the ram cylinder (front mount due to kicker). Is there anything else that you gurus can think of?
I am told that there is a kit that allows the helm to attach from the back to give a little more room in the captain's seat. Did any of you do that?
Does this impact the ability to mount the kicker (Honda  directly on the transom? I am planning on just using a steering rod from the Honda 90 to steer the kicker.
Thanks in advance!
Steve
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Wandering Sagebrush
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: Gonna Do It |
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I am going to finally get off my behonkus and replace our Teleflex steering with a SeaStar system.
I know that I will need a Helm, appropriate length hose, and the ram cylinder (front mount due to kicker). Is there anything else that you gurus can think of?
I am told that there is a kit that allows the helm to attach from the back to give a little more room in the captain's seat. Did any of you do that?
Does this impact the ability to mount the kicker (Honda directly on the transom? I am planning on just using a steering rod from the Honda 90 to steer the kicker.
Thanks in advance!
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Les Lampman
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: Gonna Do It |
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| Wandering Sagebrush wrote: | I am going to finally get off my behonkus and replace our Teleflex steering with a SeaStar system.
I know that I will need a Helm, appropriate length hose, and the ram cylinder (front mount due to kicker). Is there anything else that you gurus can think of?
I am told that there is a kit that allows the helm to attach from the back to give a little more room in the captain's seat. Did any of you do that?
Does this impact the ability to mount the kicker (Honda directly on the transom? I am planning on just using a steering rod from the Honda 90 to steer the kicker.
Thanks in advance!
Steve |
Hi Steve,
There's no reason to use the Teleflex SeaStar system, the Teleflex BayStar system is totally appropriate for the C-Dory 22 and it's about 1/2 the price. It comes as a complete DIY kit.
There is a back mount kit for the BayStar part# HA-5476. There's a photo from a friend building a boat here.
Using the BayStar unit does not interfere with adding a Honda BF8 kicker.
Les
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Yellowstone
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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WineAdvisor - Have had both the Sea Star and Bay Star on two 22' C-Dorys. The Sea Star is more robust, but the Bay Star handles a Mercury 115 EFI very nicely, and as you already know, it is less expensive.
Regarding the add in comment about mechanical versus hydraulic steering, I have had the pleasure of using both systems including the mechanical system which froze up after extended use on salt water, but the hydraulic systems, IMO, are more reliable.
As you quickly learned, asking for free advise is an art form on this web site.
John
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srbaum
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| Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:23 am Post subject: BayStar Failures |
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I have had poor luck with the BayStar at home and at work. I purchased 2 of the systems 4 years ago and installed one on a friends boat and one on my RIB. The seal at the helm on both systems failed within 2 years. Likewise I purchased one for a boat at work and replaced it due to the seals at the rams failing within 2 years.
I have now switched all future purchases to the Uflex systems, as they are much more durable than the BayStar and SeaStar systems.
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