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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HUGE thanks to Scott for the lessons. Like others have said, it's given me the confidence to do simple repairs. I'll have to purchase some supplies, but you can't make cake w/out breaking a few eggs.

I did take a lot of notes and digi pics of questionable quality. My plan is to write a tutorial to make it as concise and exact as I can via the written word. Obviously, actually seeing it done in person is hard to replicate, but I'll give it my best shot. I'll do it on my free time and get it done as soon as possible.

The food was great and the one beer I had was a good addition.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Scott for putting on this event for us. Truly exemplary customer service to work with owners like this. Very rare stuff, I am so glad to support you guys with buying a new boat. I feel like we're in good hands for the future. Thanks again Scott and team Triton George
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've all given me the confidence I need to raise the overboards on the stern of my TC255 for the macerators and the bilge pump from the waterline where they currently are located, up about a foot or so to waaaaay above the waterline. I'm sure the check valves leak through, assisting in keeping the bilges as well as the fishboxes wet!

Filling the old holes will be a challenge but with the pix I've seen so far from the "seminar", I'm sure I can do it...


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome class! Like everyone else has said, it really increased the confidence level. One thing Scott said several times that made quite an impact on me, is, (paraphrased) "there's nothing you can do while trying to repair gelcoat that can't be fixed." It made me realize that if a flub up a repair a little, the boat's not ruined; I simply repair my repair.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just checked the Fisheries Supply catalogue and found that the Duraglass filler Scott used and recommended is available in quarts for $ 19.11. Nice to not have to buy a gallon for some small repairs. Fisheries order # 58174, Manufacturers # USC24035

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Da Nag wrote:
Dreamer wrote:
If Bill or Mike will open an album...


Done...fill 'er up.


Can you make this a "sticky". Question Idea I'm working on the tutorial and thought if we had one, central thread to post this all it would make it simpler/easier for all involved to read & ask questions etc.

I'll get w/ you once I complete some of it and you can post it however you want. I plan on breaking it down into sections to make it smaller in total and since some of the repairs are the same. For instance, the gelcoat spray, cut & buff are the same for each different repair, no matter the original damage.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was a really neat class. I learned a lot about boat repair. I would like say that C-Dory is in really good hands now and we can expect very high quality boats coming out of the new factory. Thank you Jeff and Scott.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much to all of you that took the time to come to the seminar. I was going for the real world repairs scenario and I hope that I was able to convey that without to much technical jargon. I appreciate your enthusiasm and look forward to hosting more of these type of seminars in the years to come.

If you have any questions about materials used or techniques please give me a call to discuss.

Scott
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a great class.
I agree that this needs to be a "sticky" when completed. I have some questions--for example--the "Fiberlay speed cure additative"--which apparently was used to thin the gel coat for spraying--I could not find that on the internet. I have usually used styrene, but some use acetone (makes it softer).

How much was used, and what is in it?

I assume that the gel coat which was sprayed had wax mixed in it?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The class was great. Scott was very patient with those of us who knew next to nothing about the subject. I can see there are some repairs I will try with very little trepidation, and some others that will make me very nervous.

Scott said several times, "It's not rocket science." He also said, "There's a real art to it." I know I'm not Werner Von Braun. Sadly, I'm pretty sure I'm not Vincent Van Gogh, either, but I now have confidence I can start with minor scratch repair and gain some skill at working with gel coat.


If Scott and Jeff are gracious enough to offer any more classes, I plan on doing my best to get there. It was a day well spent.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

localboy wrote:
Can you make this a "sticky"...


Post moved to proper forum (Hull, Deck and Fittings), stickied.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This question is for Scott, as I forgot to ask it during the class (perhaps this thread can be an ongoing source of info related to fiberglass repair.)

Anyway, I have a few 3/8" (+/-) holes through the foredeck of my Tom Cat where I had a drum windlass mounted for a couple of years. I would like to gelcoat them (they are filled with LifeCaulk now) but some of them are through the non-skid pattern. At the seminar, Scott demonstrated how to fill in a hole and then grind it down to make it fair with the surrounding fiberglass. But I can't (don't want to) grind down the non-skid. Do I just spray some gelcoat in there and accept the small inevitable unevenness?

Also, did I understand Scott to say that using LifeCaulk (or similar) was a bad idea? According to my rigger he has used it for this purpose for years without any water issues.

Thanks,
Warren

(Posted originally in wrong Gelcoat class thread.)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warren,

Thanks for the question. I would recommend just grinding out the non-skid where your holes are, and having a proper patch done, however if this is something that you don't want to do, then have the holes filled with Duraglass, and then either spray on or dob in some gelcoat and call it good. You are not able to gelcoat over Lifeseal or any other sealant for that matter and have the patch last very long. If you are just filling the holes without worrying about cosmetics than filling with Lifeseal, Sikaflex, or 5200 is just fine.

I hope that this is clear enough but if you need clarification just give me a call or send me an email.

Scott
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found out that the holes are filled with Formula 27, not LifeCaulk. Is this an acceptable substitute for Duraglass? If it is, I will gelcoat over it.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warren,

Thanks for sending the link, I have never seen that type of filler before, but after reading it, I would think that it is just fine and you can gelcoat right over it.

Scott
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