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yankeefan
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 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: CD's design category? |
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How are CDs categorized according to the EU's RCD or Recreational Craft Directive?
In checking the C–Brat membership roster, I couldn't find any European members, so maybe this isn't a relevant regulatory question. Nonetheless, I'm curious from a technical standpoint.
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yankeefan
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Nearly 2 weeks & no responses? This can't be the question that stumps the C–Brats forum — can it?  
Surely not,
Sandy  |
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Larry H
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
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C-Dory Year: 1991
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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I would go with category C--Inshore.
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dogon dory
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003
Posts: 7313
City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:13 am Post subject: |
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I guess I'd vote for the category W-hocares?? 
It's like trying to measure furlongs per fortnight.....
Sorry to sound flippant but I am... especially this late...
Charlie
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popeye
Joined: 14 Jan 2005
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City/Region: Bluto's Wharf
Vessel Name: The Olive
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Whoa Mateys
Manners, manners! Wat' happened ta' "no rules, just be nice!"
What's da' matter boys, can't ya' be standin' no challenge from a lady?
No need ta' go bullyin' no fair maiden, like Bluto wif' me sweet Olive 
Maybe nex' time yous' can be refrainin', from showin' your  's in public.
Sorry Maam, I's may be new heer...'an jez' a mere swabby ats that...buts' I epologizes fer meself 'an me crewmates. Too many  at da' Pub, me guesses
Toot, Toot
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Jon - CLou
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
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City/Region: Port Angeles
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Vessel Name: C-Lou
Photos: C-Lou and Pee Wee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Popeye, I think you should cut back on the spinach  |
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popeye
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon - CLou wrote: | | Hey Popeye, I think you should cut back on the spinach |
You trying getting into character & composing this stuff w/o a green leafy substance  |
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KenMcC
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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dogon dory and Captains Choice hit the nail on the head.
Those of you who are planning on taking your C-Dorys across the Pond to cruise the waters of Europe might want to concern yourselves with the standards of the European Union.
The rest of us pretty much don't care.
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Luna C
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3400 miles or so from coast to coast (NY to LND), 4.5 MPG,...... 770 gallons of fuel or so. Wind, currents, lack of auto pilot; better have another 100 on standby. I'll need an additional 154 five gallon plastic fuel tanks. (I did win the larger 25 gal. fuel tanks, they will help on the trip) Sounds good to me, can we get a sign up?
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Da Nag
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| popeye wrote: |
Sorry Maam, I's may be new heer...'an jez' a mere swabby ats that...buts' I epologizes fer meself 'an me crewmates. Too many at da' Pub, me guesses |
Too many beers? Ahh...that explains the the transformation from David/Mr. Yankeefan to Popeye. Nobody could type that stuff up sober...
Either that, or some damn hippy done swapped out your spinach for some other green goodie from his garden...
Hey Brock! You been messin' with David's stash?
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popeye
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Da Nag wrote: |
Hey Brock! You been messin' with David's stash?
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Hey Dude, you mean that giant sucking sound is me inhaling? I thought it was NAFDA! 
Toke,Toke 
P.S.– In all seriousness, I think it's a valid question since it's a measure of seaworthiness. Frankly, I have no idea, but I'd be a bit disappointed, considering their well earned reputation for seaworthy construction, if C–Dories couldn't qualify for a "B." Since Private Messages are private, I won't reveal who. But, there is at least 1 C–Brat who told me they bought a C–Dory instead of Motorcat, at least partially, in the belief that the C–Dory was more seaworthy (& I should probably stress that this wasn't the only comparative advantage they gave to the C–Dory). Since the Motorcat is built in Poland, it is subject to the RCD & it is rated as a Category B. Do I have to buy a round just for wondering about the answer to a trivia question? If so, I'm guilty. So put 'em on me tab, Mateys |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004
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City/Region: Kenmore
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C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Luna C wrote: | | 3400 miles or so from coast to coast (NY to LND), 4.5 MPG,...... 770 gallons of fuel or so. Wind, currents, lack of auto pilot; better have another 100 on standby. I'll need an additional 154 five gallon plastic fuel tanks. (I did win the larger 25 gal. fuel tanks, they will help on the trip) Sounds good to me, can we get a sign up? |
Luna C, you got it all wrong... it's really not so bad. First we trailer to Blanc-Sablon in Quebec and take the ferry across to St. Barbe in New Foundland. From there we trailer down to St, John’s on the east coast of NewFoundland.
From St. John's we launch and motor to Nanortilik Greenland - 920 statute miles. I figure about 330 gals of gas will give us plenty in reserve.
From there the rest is EASY!
We cruise from Nanortilik Greenland to Tasiilak Greenland ONLY 470 statute miles - we can get by comfortably with only 200 gals.
From Tasiilak Greenland we make a quick run over to Reykajvik Iceland - only 450 statute miles, again 200 gals is plenty.
Then its only about 130 miles to Vik, Iceland. NO PROBLEM!
From there you go to Hofn, Iceland on a roughly 150 mile leg.
From Hofn, Iceland, its only about 537 miles to Scapa in the Orkney Islands. - OK, OK - so we need maybe 250 gals for this leg to be comfortable but after we work out how to load up for the leg to Greenland, this should be simple.
From there life is VERY simple with three150 mile hops to Aberdeen, Edinburgh and then Middlesbrough.
From Middlesbrough, its only a few hops (about 400 miles total) to London (up the Thames) at which point we’ll need to register the boat and DEFINITELY need to know the Recreational Craft Design Category….
So as you can see, the only tough part is that first leg of roughly 920 miles, the rest is all down hill. With your two 25 gal tanks, you really only need about 56
5 gal tanks. We can probably get about 10 on the bow, 20 in the cockpit and maybe 26 on the roof. With the roof rack that Capt. D has made for the Hunky Dory, the tanks up top shouldn't be a problem. We could extend the transom rack of Red Fox for a few tanks back there. I'm not so sure about the tanks in the cockpit - we may have to tow them in a dinghy behind. Overall though, the trip's doable....
Who’s up for this cruise? Should I ask for a sign up sheet?
Roger on the SeaDNA!
PS - we may be able to shorten down the first leg if we leave out of the Hudson Bay but my maps of Northern Canada and Greenland are not so good. We could start some questions on the Chips thread to see if anyone has those regions... 
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popeye
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Might I be suggestin' a diesel convereshain prior ta' ye' voyage, Mateys? Fer' safety don'cha yous know? An' 'Cordin' ta' this heer' article Traylerebotin' Ta' Paris, Fraannce has done been did. Alldough 'dat 30' Cutter is mite larger 'dan 'de average C-Dory.  Hmmmm, how about 'dat C-Dory Cutter I be eyeballin' in 'da pics round heer?
LOL, havin' no C–Dory 'o me own yit', I be volunteeerin' as Vice Assoc. Dep. Assist. Provisional Jr. Swabby Trainee Understudy, 3rd Grade & offerin' ta' buy all da' fuel iffin' any 'o yous' Mateys is up fer it!
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Captains Cat
Joined: 03 Nov 2003
Posts: 7313
City/Region: Cod Creek>Potomac River>Chesapeake Bay
State or Province: VA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Captain's Choice II
Photos: Captain's Cat
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Now that I've come down a bit from having been "mooned" by a cartoon character, apparently we're going to beat this RCD issue to death.
To hasten that just a little bit, have done some research (despite my "who cares" comment). This is mired fully in British Bureaucracy (no slight intended) which may or may not be eclipsed by our own governments bureaucracy.
The document that must be filled out to gain "certification" is found here
http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/rcd_doc.pdf
which includes references to "harmonised standards" ( I love the way the Brits talk ) and ISO standards, etc. If any of you have ever dealt with ISO standards, any of them, not just the 9000 or 14000 series, your eyes should start to glaze over just about now.  . Can you imagine the C-Dory factory trying to gain ISO compliance? Their boats are just as good or better without that added burden (IMHO). If they did it, our boats wouldn't cost $30K any more (for a 22), they'd be more on the order of $50K, again IMHO. And wouldn't be any better.....ISO is a documentation process, it just documents what you do and whether you follow you own instructions.
Anyway, an overview of the whole thing can be found at
http://www.ceproof.com/recreational_craft_directive_RCD.htm
Anyway, my point is (and was) that the C-Dory will never gain this compliance, no reason they should. We can conjecture all we want as to which category they fit into, I love the boat, as do most of us or we wouldn't have one. Whether it's an A, B or C or D or whatever in RCD compliance terminology, it's an A+ as far as this sailor is concerned.
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