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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20814 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
C-Dory Year: 2007
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Vessel Name: thataway
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject: New combination VHF radio, AIS reciever/Hailer |
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Standard Horizon has come out (not yet in the stores) a new VHF radio, with a Class D DSC reciever, and AIS reciever, VHF radio, Hailer combo with available use of RAM mikes.
I believe that this is the first combination AIS reciever, VHF radio combination, and it is going to be a winner at about $400. Granted, that there is no class B transmitter, for most of our uses, the AIS reciever will do the job.
So maybe that AIS is not that far off. I wonder when this is incorporated into their chart plotter? (There is NMEA output for any brand plotter). _________________ Bob Austin
Thataway
Thataway (Ex Seaweed) 2007 25 C Dory May 2018 to Oct. 2021
Thisaway 2006 22' CDory November 2011 to May 2018
Caracal 18 140 Suzuki 2007 to present
Thataway TomCat 255 150 Suzukis June 2006 thru August 2011
C Pelican; 1992, 22 Cruiser, 2002 thru 2006
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BrentB
Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 4419 City/Region: Greenwood
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Does it work with your standard VHF antenna? or does it need to be upgraded ? _________________ Brent Barrett |
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hardee
Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 12633 City/Region: Sequim
State or Province: WA
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C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:39 am Post subject: more time (and $$$) |
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Huh oh, Admirable is not going to like the idea of another radio
Thanks for the heads up Dr Bob. Now I'll need to see if my RM C-120 has any more room for input, or am I looking at another device (multiplexer read $$$) to get the signal into the system and usable.
Need more time (and $$$)
Harvey
SleepyC _________________ Though in our sleep we are not conscious of our activity or surroundings, we should not, in our wakefulness, be unconscious of our sleep. |
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Alyssa Jean
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2375 City/Region: Guemes Is.(Anacortes)
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C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: |
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What is your chartplotter screen going to look like when everyone has AIS. There is going to be so much video clutter you will see nothing but AIS symbols and info. It will never happen now, buy there should have been a size limit on vessels that are authorized to carry AIS. Like over 65 ft. _________________ David and Kate
Alyssa Jean 16 Angler
Anna Leigh 22 Cruiser Sold 2005
Anna Leigh 25 Cruiser Sold 2014
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Grumpy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1606 City/Region: Whidbey Is
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Actually David it should look pretty much like it does now when you are running radar, which is when AIS on our size boat really pays off.
Unless your plotter comes up with all of the data instead if a simple boat symbol. On the Raymarine you have to put the cursor on a target to get the info.
I have not had any problems with clutter so far even in harbors where for some reason boats tied to the dock keep their transmitters on.
One problem I did have was when you are coming into a place like Friday Harbor it insists that all those boats sitting on the docks are "dangerous" targets so the first thing you have to do is turn off the alarms. (No good turning off the AIS beacause it remembers they were there
I tend to agree that in normal visibility and open ocean, there is little point in boats our size transmitting, which is why they are provided with a "stealth" switch.
There is also another switch (menu) which removes the AIS targets from the screen.
So far I have found it very useful in fog and in tight quarters where you can meet the odd ferry or tugboat & Tow just around the corner.
Even in relatively open waters it is also useful as it provides the equivalent of MARPA information without need for the radar so you can plan to miss that tanker while it is still 6 miles away.
Personally I find it is a great addition to boating safety and the new radio's now appearing with the ability to hail a target directly via DSC are particulalry useful.
Just my 2c worth
Merv _________________ 2006 CD-22 Kingfisher Sold Jan 08.
1987 Arima SeaChaser 17, Sea Star. Sold May 2010
2008 RF246 Kingfisher II Sold Apr 2013 |
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Larry H
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2041 City/Region: Tulalip,
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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David,
I agree with you about too many AIS signals. Small boats should not transmit AIS unless the situation requires it, in my opinion. The ability to identify and contact large vessels directly however, is an important safety factor.
This radio is on my wish list as the AIS portion is receive-only and its screen displays the locations, MMSI numbers, etc. of sending AIS vessels so a chart plotter is not required. _________________ Larry H
A C-Brat since Nov 1, 2003
Ranger Tug 27 ex 'Jacari Maru' 2017 - 2022
Puget Trawler 37 ex 'Jacari Maru' 2006-2017
1991 22' Cruiser, 'Nancy H'--1991-2006 |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20814 City/Region: Pensacola
State or Province: FL
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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This radio will work with the VHF antenna which you have now. I will be buying one when they are available. As Larry says, you can get the information on the radio LCD, but this is a fairly small screen. You have the option to displaying the data on your chart plotter or not. Again this might be a good reason for a second chart plotter.
So far there is no evidence that equipting many boats with AIS or similar beacons is a problem. Some SE Asia harbors require an identifier on every boat over a certain size (I think it is 7 meters or about 22 feet). There has also been some chatter about larger ships filtering out class "B" signals or by other criteria.
To me the beauty is several fold--the most obvious one is small boats which don't show up well on radar. Second is "around the bend"--this can be on the waterways, points or blind areas in harbors or straits. Also movements of fishing boats--especially netting or trawlers would be of real navigational value. Perhaps I am more attuned to this since I have been in some real life scenerios where it was critical to track multiple vessels, and then all of a sudden here is another ship on a direct collision course on visual or radar in the middle of the night in a crowded straight. |
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tpbrady
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Bob,
I now have something on my XMAS wishlist. I have toyed with installing an AIS for a couple of months only so I can keep track of cruise ships, tour boats, ferries, tenders, and the like. _________________ Tom
22 Cruiser Bidarka 2004-2009
25 Cruiser Bidarka II 2010-2013
38 Trawler Mia Terra 2012-2015
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28 KingFisher 2009-2014
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K7MXE
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 151 City/Region: Eatonville
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: Ais |
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For those who want to see whats out there on AIS go to this site and you should be able to see real time AIS transmissions from just about everywhere. Have fun!
http://marinetraffic.com/ais/
Bob Heselberg Eatonville Wa |
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El and Bill
Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 3200 City/Region: Lakewood, CO
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Great site, Bob. Our second-in-command can give us a heads-up concerning vessels along our intended cruise route each day, keep an eye on traffic along our intended course if necessary (as in fog, and can give an id for any vessels seen on our radar). Will be a nice assist when we're able to receive internet. And -- the cost is perfect. Thanks. _________________ El and Bill (former live-aboards)
Halcyon 2000 CD 22 Bought 2000 Sold 2012
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Byrdman
Joined: 06 Nov 2003 Posts: 3320 City/Region: Cumberland River, Clarksville,
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Humm, requirements for bass boats to transmit AIS when starter switch is hot. Now there is an idea. I love being able to see the barges "round the corners" on the river, and being able to contact them to coordinate passings has been a great asset.....
Those that know me realise I am not a make a law about everything...BUT... just think how much safer our inland waters would be if those 50-60-70-80+ mph bass boats had to have them too.
Yall come on down to a night bass tourney on the Cumberland River some night. You will have a much better appreciation for my thoughts here.
AIS is good.
Byrdman _________________ Patrick Byrd "Byrdman"
Cumberland River TN home waters Puget Sound Summers.
Miss B - CD22A, Aug 2018
C-Byrd, CD18A, Hull #14 sold again.. May 2020
C-Byrd, CD18A, Hu #14 - Bought her again - May16
Aloysius, Sold to Brother Mike Mar16
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hardee
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:44 am Post subject: for everybody's safety would be to limit the power |
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Maybe the best option for everybody's safety would be to limit the power on those bass boats to 25 or 30 HP, keeping everyone equal and safe.
Harvey
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20dauntless
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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This looks very cool. Right now I have an Icom IC-M422 connected via NMEA 0183 to a Raymarine C80. Could I simply take that radio out and put this one in? Would AIS targets show up on the C80? Would the power and antenna cables be the same? |
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thataway
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 20814 City/Region: Pensacola
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Power and antenna hook up would be the same. The PL 259 which connects the antenna to the radio is the same. You might have to do some crimping on the power leads.
I cannot answer, about the NMEA sentensing to the RayMarine plotter until after these are available. However, I do have my Standard Horizon VHV radio coupled with my Standard Horizon chart plotter, and DSC targets show up, so the assumption is that it will work the same with the RayMarine via NMEA 0183 (I don't believe it is NMEA 2000 or sea talk). I suspect that the digital data will also be available on the Ray Marine. Definately the recent Garmins will work. |
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Tortuga
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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I am thinking seriously about getting AIS, if I can do it inexpensively. The unit Bob points out looks really interesting. I have no radar -- and no budget for radar. And, as I have no chart plotter (beyond my laptop and a great handheld Garmin), I can't buy an inexpensive receiver to network.
This unit seems to be an interesting compromise, with a receiver built-in to the VHF, and feeding a small display. If I understand the Standard Horizon website, the display identifies graphically where AIS transmitting vessels are in relation to you (me), as well as bearing, speed, and distance. That sounds like a neat, and inexpensive, package for a small boat on a budget.
So, my questions to everyone are these:
How does AIS do in real world applications in identifying the location of commercial vessels?
Does AIS replace Radar for identifying ship traffic?
It sounds too easy. What am I missing? What are the pros & cons of AIS for limited visibility navigation.
FYI -- Standard Horizon has info HERE.
Matt _________________ Tortuga
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