Kicker for CD-22 with Honda 75 HP

jstates · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:16 am Post subject: Kicker for CD-22 with Honda 75 HP

I purchased SunFish and am now in the process of setting up:
Kicker motor to complement the Honda 75 HP carberated, Adjusting prop size and Installing shore power. I usually carry full survival gear, spare prop, oil change , 5 gals of drinking water, 1-2 persons - complete tool kit, - Will stay with Honda due to great local Honda mechanic - Pickering Marine.

I have spent quite a few hours recently reading about all of those topics on the CBrats - but still have some questions.

1. Do I need to install the kicker or at least add that much weight before fine tuning the prop choice on the 75?

2. Swim step is now on Port side - what side do most folks mount the kicker? ?? Usually opposite the helm? One battery is on each side .

3. Which Honda kicker is recommended for a back up motor to get hull speed [I don't care so much about trolling] - don't plan to use kicker on dinghy, want control of kicker from helm. Read about Tohatsu 6 - Honda 8 - any other suggestions?

Thanks
Jim

Spike · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject:

Jim
I read that you plan to stay with Honda, but asked for other suggestions. I am real happy with my Yamaha 9.9 high thrust. Not a burp out of it. And I use it ALOT.
Chuck
Bootleg Hooch

journey on · Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject:

The Honda 9.9 is the heaviest 9.9 known to mankind. Try the Tohatsu/Nissin 9.9. cheaper and lighter, with a good reputation.

Boris, or someone else

jstates · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:13 am Post subject: More kicker questions.

Yes thanks for the idea to try a Yamaha or Tohatsu -
do most mount kicker directly on transom?

I see them mounted on both sides in photos, since current swim platform in on Port side. Is it ok to mount kicker on STarboard? - easier to set up controls?.

Is it difficult to move the swim step?

Do most folks use electric tilt and start and control like with the main. Seems like that would be important especially when solo.

Since I usually change my own plugs, fuel and oil filters, engine oil and lower unit lube, and only Honda is nearby - do Yamaha and Tohatsu still honor warranty if i keep records?

Thanks
Jim

DaveS · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:15 am Post subject: Re: More kicker questions.

ccflyer · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:18 am Post subject:

I moved the swim platform to accommodate the kicker. It's very simple and took less than an hour (See my photo album)

I also have the tie rod arrangement. Without the tie rod modification, it was difficult to steer with the tiller down. I bought the rod through Cabela's
I made the move to balance the weight since it's usually just me and the dog aboard and he won't stay on the port side. Now if you're generally out with 2 or 3 -obedient- people, Laughing

I believe it's less of a factor and I wouldn't bother moving the swim step.

Rock-C · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject:

Congrats on your new Endurance.
Yamaha makes a fine motor, I would not hesitate to get one, if I wasn't such a Honda fan.
We had a Honda 9.9 mounted on the starboard side. If you are going to do a lot of trolling, that might be a good motor. We don't do a lot of fishing and felt that the 9.9 was too heavy. The boat listed to starboard and it was too heavy for me to lift by myself. If it was mounted to port, it my have worked out better. The summer of '07, we spent most of our time cruising on the kicker at 5 to 6 mph. The fuel economy was great, but you can't be in a hurry to get somewhere.
We have since downsized to a Honda 5 hp. It is much lighter and will push the 22' along at 4 to 5 mph at half throttle. The boat does not list as much as with the 9.9. The down side to the BF5 is that it is a one cylinder motor and vibrates a bit much. When we cruise on the kicker, we set the main motor down and steer from the pilot seat. Maybe not the most efficient but is more comfortable than hanging over the motor well. Connecting the motors with a rod would be a much better way to go.
I think the ideal Honda for a kicker would be the BF8 classic. A few years ago Honda changed the stying of the BF8 and BF9.9. The new motors have a round cowling whereas the classic has more of a squared off cowling. The classic is lighter than the new style, I don't remember how much, but I'm sure someone on the site can answer that. The Classic can also be ordered with a charging system, that would make a great backup battery charger in a pinch. Pull start with a charging system, how can you beat that.
We have ours mounted on a bracket that Tyboo designed and posted on the site many years ago. It is angled enough to keep the kicker from dragging in the water.
Look forward to seeing your new boat and all the changes you make to it.

Spike · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject:

Hi Jim
I have my kicker mounted on a mini jack plate on the port side. My Yamaha is an electric start tillerless model with power tilt, which does add a couple of pounds. The throttle and shift are hard wired to the helm like my main. As is the start switch. And I use a tie bar so I can steer from the helm Really am pleased with the set up.About the only complaint I have is that Yamaha does not put a recoil start as a back up on this model. But they do give you a seperate emergancy pull rope. Just have to pull the cover off and manualy wind the rope.

Chuck
Bootleg Hooch

thataway · Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject:

I realize that many folks use 8 or 9 hp kickers. But I have driven boats weighing more than the C Dory25 and with as much windage with 5 hp engines--sure the speed is only 5 knots. But that is plenty to "get home". You get a little more thrust with the 8 to 9 (esp in the high thrust or big foot configurations) and this may help if you are punching into the wind or seas. The "hull speed" of these boats is 5 knots (give or take) and that is easily achieved with low hp.

We have put our engines on the stb side, just because removing the swim step would mean filling holes in the transom.

jstates · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 1:20 am Post subject: Thanks -

Thanks for the great ideas from everyone- The idea of using the Tohatsu 9.8 HP at 81 pounds vs the Honda 9.8 HP 118 pounds is interesting especially since I am working with a main of 75 Hp. I do like the idea of a clean swim step and transom for entry and saving 40 pounds would make it easier to compensate for Starboard mount.

How durable are Tohatsu Marine engines?

The story on the Tohatsu web site is worth reading about home made 21 foot enclosed boat [sub like look] that crossed Atlantic running Tohatsu 2.5 hp 21/24 hrs per day for many days. Eventually traveled from Europe to Florida to NY - amazing captain -living on nuts and 1 liter of water per day.

After reading about more people cruising on a kicker - and having discovered auto pilot - it sounds like I will be using the kicker a lot.

Thanks again for the input

Jim

Wandering Sagebrush · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: Kicker

Jim,

I have had several Honda 8hp kickers, and while they are good engines, the very best I have ever used has been the Yamaha 8hp high thrust. They like the Honda are not light, but I have not seen a smoother kicker for trolling. Very nice throttle adjustments that will give small increments of RPM.

To be truthful, I wish I would have put one on my boat instead of the Honda.

Steve

Spike · Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject:

Jim
The Tohatsu motors are rebadged Nissians. Very good motors. A friend has a 8hp Tohatsu on his 16' C-Dory Got it on the recomendation of another CD owner

Chuck
Bootleg Hooch

Sawdust · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:33 am Post subject:

Nissan is a rebadged Tohatsu. Tohatsu has been around for many years and VERY reliable in my personal experience. My old 18 hp 2-stroke Tohatsu was a little hard to start, but once the operator (me) found the right combination -- great. The new 4-strokes are smooth, quiet and as good as any others I've used.

We use a Yamaha on one boat and Honda 8 on the other... expect there will be a Tohatsu (Nissan) in the future.

I do not like the Honda 5.

Dusty

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