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Adeline
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 985 City/Region: Vancouver
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Adeline
Photos: Adeline
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: Cockpit Water Removal - My Take |
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I thought this was a good moment to share my approach to removing accumulated deck water.
We've got a thread on a 22 Angler Drainage Problem and one on Jabsco Pump Failures so the timing seemed right.
As we all know, the 22s aren't self-bailing. When it rains or a wave is taken the water must be pumped out. Adeline was ordered with a bilge pump/vertical rod holder option that was standard on '89 Anglers. The pump was a 2000gph Rule that sat under a cover at the rear bulkhead.
Water settles there so the location was right but the Rule wouldn't remove ENOUGH water to keep my shoes from getting wet. The Dri-Deck Tiles were still submerged after pumping. I needed a setup that removed it all so my feet would stay dry and I wouldn't track it into the cabin(condensation). Since I wanted to continue using the cover my options were limited to pumps that were physically short. The Jabsco Water Puppy fit the bill so I installed one along with a pickup(strainer) and check valve using the original hose and Rule on/off/auto switch.
The new setup worked great and my feet stayed dry. Everything but a spongeful was evacuated!
Once I was satisfied that it worked I installed the pump and cover using nothing but Sikaflex. It's been sealed up 16 years and she's still running strong with the original impeller. It only sees the light of day because another project required its removal.
It's now been reinstalled and ready for another 16 years. This time, however, I mounted it with epoxy and threaded inserts. Pictures here! _________________ Pete
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Sea Wolf
Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 8650 City/Region: Redding
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 1987
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Sea Wolf
Photos: Sea Wolf
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Nice job, as usual, Pete!
Folks might like to know that the Water Puppy pump works better because it is a self-priming flexible impeller pump, whereas the other, centrifugal rigid impeller bilge pump, would only prime itself when under water, and won't remove any more water once air reaches the top of the impeller.
The Water Puppy, on the other hand, will pull water up the tube, prime itself, and run until its dry and a switch shuts it off.
Ir costs twice as much, but will do a slightly different job, and is much better suited to this one!
Joe. _________________ Sea Wolf, C-Brat #31
Lake Shasta, California
"Most of my money I spent on boats and women. The rest I squandered'. " -Annonymous |
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lloyds
Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 1724 City/Region: sublimity
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: undecided
Photos: 1996 22 Cruiser (Lloyds)
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I have been able to find everything but the check valve. Where did you find one that would mate up? |
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Adeline
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 985 City/Region: Vancouver
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Adeline
Photos: Adeline
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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C-Green
Joined: 12 Apr 2004 Posts: 310 City/Region: Houghton
State or Province: MI
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: C-Green
Photos: C-Green
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: jabsco pump |
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How do you control the pump; simply a manual on/off or is there an automatic feature? If an auto control, what is it?
Thanks, Jay |
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Adeline
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 985 City/Region: Vancouver
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1989
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Adeline
Photos: Adeline
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
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This factory installed Rule 3 way panel switch was originally connected to a Rule float switch (mercury switch) under the housing. When in auto mode, the float switch was enabled and would energize the pump when the water rose. I was unhappy with the float switch because it waited too long to turn on (water too high) and shut off too soon (water still too deep). I removed it intending to find a more sensitive replacement, but I never did. I've been using it strictly in manual mode until a better float switch comes along.
After a nights rain I'll run it for 15 or 20 seconds to evacuate the water. After a few minutes any residual will work it's way around the tiles and up against the bulkhead. One more 5 second blast removes that. |
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Bad Boy
Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 115 City/Region: Fresno
State or Province: CA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Cat Fever
Photos: Cat Fever
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Is the cockpit floor above the waterline so that one could install a simple drain with a 90-degree elbow to gravity drain to the side of the boat and eliminate the maintenance of a sump pump and float switch?
George |
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CAVU
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 665 City/Region: Spokane
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2002
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: CAVU
Photos: CAVU
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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George,
The 22 cruiser floor is well below the waterline. Even the newer models with the molded in floor I believe are still slightly below waterline. _________________ Ken Trease
22 CD Cruiser, CAVU
Twin 40HP Hondas |
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