Power for a New 22 Angler

gf · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: Power for a New 22 Angler

Considering a new 22 Angler and my options for power are a Suzuki 90, 100 or 115.

Can anyone provide any relative performance differences for these different HP ratings?

The 90 is Suzuki's new 1298 cc 4-cylinder and weighs 341 pounds, the 100 and 115 are a 1950 cc block and weigh in at 416 pounds.

My initial inclination is to go with the DF115 for about $1000 more than the DF90.

Thanks!

Captains Cat · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject:

My personal preference would be for the DF115 but only because I have two of them (2001, the first year they made them) on my TC255. They have always run/started flawlessly. With the NEMA 2000 network available you can have all sorts of gauges hooked up with no extensive wiring.

Charlie

Papillon · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject:

I just repowered with the Suzuki 115. Going from a 2 stroke Evinrude 88spl to a four stroke. Because it is so much different I will have to get over the "new car" feeling before I can give you a deep down openion.

Now with that said, my buddy ran the 90 on the 22 cruiser and I found it to perform quite will for day cruising, but if you plan on doing any long term cruises with a lot of "stuff" onboard and lots of heavy people I would not let a $ 1000.00 stop me from going all the way and hanging the 115 on there. It gives me all the power I will ever need.

With me alone on the boat, 30 gals of fuel I am able to reach 36.4 mph. With 4 adults and the same amount of gas onboard it only dropped to 34.2. I should also mention that this boat doesn't need to go that fast but cruising at 3800 rpm and making 20 mph is a nice sweet spot and it is so quite it doesn't wake the fisheys.

Sea Wolf · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject:

I'd rather error on the side of having too much motor than too little.

The bigger motor will run easier, last longer, provide a margin of safety and give you the ability to carry heavy loads easily.

Nothing worse than being underpowered, having to lug the motor all the time, and wishing you'd bought the bigger one.

My 2¢ !

Joe. Teeth

Wefings · Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:

The 100 and the 115 are essentially the same motor . Its just mapped for different top RPMs . Thats where the H.P is rated . There is not an appreciable difference between them at normal operating RPMs. Either one will work well .They will run the same prop .They are highly proven designs.
The new 90 is much smaller displacement [1.3 L] has a more aggressive computer map and racier lower unit and so far has been great . Some of its performance gain is due to light weight . It is also their 70 and 80 model, again, each with less tuning. The C Dory handles the 416 Lbs without too much trouble . It a tough call . I think the 100 would be a good choice if you are cruising, but all will work fine .
Marc

dotnmarty · Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:23 am Post subject:

Get the 90. That's plenty hp for that boat.

helm · Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:36 am Post subject:

I'm with Joe, you won't ever regret having too much horsepower. We went from a DF 140 to a DF 200 on our CD 25 - makes a world of difference.

Eric

jennykatz · Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: suzi100

I have had the 22 cruiser with ( 06)90 hp suzuki which was really a 100hp motor What is the price difference between 100and 115 if it's only a few hundred dollors difference I would get the 115 hp for resale for longevity and economy I ran an 18pitch by 14 in prop on the 06 90hp It gave me about 34-35 mph . ran great at 4000rpm about 21-22 mph

C-Bill · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Weight

Before you make any decision on motors, I would consider the weight distribution through-out the boat first. Motors & gas get heavy very fast.

Bill

Brooks Cooper · Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject:

Go big or go home! I truly love my 115 yamaha on my 22 CD. extra power when you need it. I haven't noticed any weight issues with the larger motor. replaced a 90 honda with my yamaha.

breausaw · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:41 am Post subject:

I know that some dealers won’t install an outboard that exceeds the manufactures recommendation, this would be a problem. My 07 22ft cruiser is rated at 100hp, is the angler different? I’d love to have more power, but where I go coupled with localized weather conditions wouldn’t allow me to utilize more hp that much anyways. If I had the opportunity to go with more power and was able to utilize it that would be different- go for it!

20dauntless · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:00 am Post subject:

My 2008 22 Cruiser is rated for 115hp. I have the 90hp Honda EFI and it is great. Even with 7 people and gear for a weekend at the cabin the power is sufficient.

Sea Wolf · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:14 am Post subject:

The big, flat (nearly so, 2 degrees of deadrise) stern of the CD-22 handles the extra weight from the newer and bigger motors well.

The original boats were deisigned for 70 hp two cycle motors that weighed in at the 250-260 lb range, but ~300 lb. 2-stroke 90's were commonly used, often with a 60-80 lb kicker.

When I replaced my 90 hp 2 stroke Evinrude (301 lbs) with a 369 lb. 4 stroke 90 Yamaha with EFI, I eliminated the 15 hp long shaft 2-cycle kicker (77lbs.), and actually eliminated 9 lbs, while still increasing the overall reliability significantly. (The new 4-stroke engines are light years ahead of the old 2-S ("2-SMOKE") motors!)

The extra weight from ~370 lbs to ~420 lbs, or 50 lbs, is certainly not a killer, and is hardly noticeable.

Easy to get the big motor and just move some other weight forward to compensate. Or build some saddle tanks, like Kevin Richards did.

The new Honda 90 EFI at 365 lbs and an actual hp output of 105-108 hp, however, would be very near if not at the top of my list of motors to consider along with the Yamahas and Suzukis. Have your HP and less weight too!

(Remember how I bitched for years about Honda not having EFI in their BF-90 and BF-75 models!!!) Laughing

Joe.

Wefings · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:58 am Post subject:

Joe , I have an EFI 90 on my C Dory 22 Center Console . 4 people ,lots of ice, fishing tackle and still 30 MPH . I believe the Center Console with its liner and composite hull, is heavier than the cruiser or angler. I am really starting to like the boat . Thought I needed more power , but when we start diving out of it , Ill know for sure.You only can do 15 to 20 MPH when its bumpy anyways.
Marc

jkidd · Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject:

My 2007 22 Cruiser has a Suzuki DF115 on it. It was installed at the factory. The 2007 DF90 and the DF115 are the same motor and weight. Mine was done for altitude. The factory didn't put a placard on my boat. It was shortly after that that they changed the specs to 115 HP. My boat runs good pretty much everywhere in Utah. I do notice a decrease in performance at Yellowstone 7000-8000 feet. I'm looking forward to running it at sea level. I thought the same thing when I bought my boat about the $1000.00 dollar difference between the 90 and the 115. I don't regret my choice it is nice to have the power when you need it. I do think the 90 at sea level would be more than enough power.