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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not considered to be a fishing vessel with priority and if they are sitting in a channel they better get out of the way.

Their priority would be in line with a power boat and she should would be the stand on vessel if not underway so that other boats can maneuver around it.

Golly your fast at the questions. The overtaking vessel is at the bottom(least priority), then the sea plane then the power boat,sail boat, fishing boat. cbd, ram, nuc and finally at the top the overtaken.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the bass boat cannot tie off to a daymark. no mooring or tying off to any aid to navigation
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colobear wrote:
the bass boat cannot tie off to a daymark. no mooring or tying off to any aid to navigation


Yet, we still see them tied to daymarks and anchored in the channels around here. Rolling Eyes

Another question: you see a sailboat operating just after sunset; sails are out and drawing, he is on a starboard tack. He is displaying the following lights: standard red/green side lights, white stern light, forward white light. What can you assume and where is he in "the pecking order"?

If folks aren't enjoying this thread, I'll stop asking questions. Nice to see some new faces answer; so if you've already answered a question, time for you to post a new question and encourage others to participate. Very Happy While general in nature, this has been a fun thread that directly relates to boating. Nothing political, not economy related, haven't even mentioned the weather... yet. Cool I'll sit on my hands for a while and let some others come up with interesting quesions/scenerios.

Thanks for playing!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JamesTXSD wrote:
If folks aren't enjoying this thread, I'll stop asking questions.


Quite the contrary, Jim. It's a rather cool tool. In order to make it less apt to disappear and more readily accessible to someone who may be looking for something like it, the thread has been moved to the Seamanship forum.

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That isn't a sailboat, it's a power boat, and wherever a powerboat is in the pecking order is where it's at.

Is a seaplane actually below a powerboat?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The white light shining forward is the light to indicate the vessel is under power.

In the case of a sailboat with sails drawing and the forward facing white light on, the vessel is 'motorsailing' and is a powerboat as far as the rules are concerned.

I would be very careful crossing such a boat, as the boat may be under sail alone, and the forward white, 'under power' light may be on in error. In addition, be cautious of sailboats in general, some of their operators think (wrongly) that they have 'right-of-way' at all times.

Note that under the rules, there is no such thing as 'right-of-way'.
There is only the 'stand on' vessel and the 'give way' vessel.

If the 'give way' vessel doesn't maneuver as needed to avoid collision, then the 'stand on' vessel must maneuver to avoid collision.

Always remember that the rules are not there to determine 'right of way' but to 'prevent collisions at sea'.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Topic Jim.

It may just be some good old boys tied up where they shouldn't be who are from an earlier, less structured time. (The good old days).
Not that that gives anyone a pass.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boris,

Yes, a seaplane is below powerboats in the 'pecking order'.

International Steering and Sailing Rules
Rule 18e
"A seaplane on the water shall, in general, keep well clear of all vessels and avoid impeding their navigation. In circumstances, however, where risk of collision exists, she shall comply with the Rules of this Part.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Larry H wrote:
The white light shining forward is the light to indicate the vessel is under power.

In the case of a sailboat with sails drawing and the forward facing white light on, the vessel is 'motorsailing' and is a powerboat as far as the rules are concerned.

I would be very careful crossing such a boat, as the boat may be under sail alone, and the forward white, 'under power' light may be on in error. In addition, be cautious of sailboats in general, some of their operators think (wrongly) that they have 'right-of-way' at all times.

Note that under the rules, there is no such thing as 'right-of-way'.
There is only the 'stand on' vessel and the 'give way' vessel.

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OK, Larry, my sailing buddies might take exception with that "be cautious of sailboats in general" comment. Mr. Green When you get a bunch of sailors together, it's almost a certainty that the conversation will come around to "stupid powerboater tricks." Twisted Evil Since we go back and forth, I think the skipper of ANY vessel ought to have a decent working knowledge of the rules to be safe out on the water.

I enjoy this "nautical knowledge quiz". And as long as we're discussing it, there IS a use of the words "right of way" in the CFRs. You can probably win a bar bet with this bit of knowledge. I'll give you a hint: look under the river rules.

50 Bonus Points to the first person who can tell us where "right of way" comes into play in the Rules of the Road.

And another sailboat vs powerboat question: who is the stand-on vessel when a sailboat overtakes a powerboat?

Best wishes,
Jim

PS - Bonus Points have no monetary value and cannot be cashed in for any prize or award. But they are yours and you can accumulate them over the next 12 months. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim this is one of the best topics I've seen recently on the site. Thanks for starting it, lets keep it going!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm enjoying it and learning thanks for thinking of it Jim.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great topic. Jim, I have no answers to your last questions, but I am reading my copy of Chapmans and dang, if it isn't putting me to sleep. "72 COLREGS, IntRR, Annexes, etc. But before I nod off, I have a question. My copy of Chapmans is a 1985 edition. Do the same rules apply today? ie 1972 International Rules and the Navigational Rules Act of 1977?
Let's make this like school, multiple choice
A. Buy a new Chapmans
B. Try to understand the copy that I have
C. Buy a bigger boat
D. Take up flying

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim,

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50 Bonus Points to the first person who can tell us where "right of way" comes into play in the Rules of the Road.


Inland Rule 9----Power driven vessels in narrow channels or fairways on the Great Lakes, Western Rivers, proceeding downbound with a following current, shall have the right-of-way over an upbound vessel.

Note---this rule is not in the International rules.

Jim, Here in the Great Northwest, all salt water and Lake Union and Lake Washington are declared to be International Waters, so salt water boaters(that's me) are not concerned much with Inland Rules. Thanks for the reminder.

I did own and operate a 31 ft sailboat for 15 years and I know about the 'crazy power boaters', (now I are one!!), but I am very careful around sailboats, some of them still think they have 'right-of-way' all the time.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going along with Robbi's question I've seen a smaller version of Chapman's somewhere anyone have any experience with this version. Incidently my Chapman's is a 1972 model and it's probably been that long since I opened it until today.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JIm, great topic. and good questions. thanks for the stimulation.
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"And another sailboat vs powerboat question: who is the stand-on vessel when a sailboat overtakes a powerboat?"


The overtaken vessel (power boat in this situation) is and remains the stand-on vessel. The overtaking vessel (sail boat here) is the give-way vessel, whether the sail boat is sailing or powering, it is still the overtaking vessel and thereby the giveway vessel.

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