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Dreamer
Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 1764 City/Region: Really Sunny SaddleBrooke
State or Province: AZ
Photos: Dreamer
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: What did you see at the boat show? |
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Everyone at the Seattle Boat Show CBGT spent a lot of their time at the C-Dory display. I'm interested in what you saw in the current version of your boat model that you liked and what you didn't like.
The folks at the factory seldom ask our opinion but hopefully, they read our posts and may gather some feedback that way. I personally wish them the very best and try to promote their product at every opportunity.
We were impressed with the interior of the new TomCat. The headliner, naugahyde and trim panels were a nice touch. The molded interior has it's good points. However, it's obvious and sad that the factory folks are not boaters and have never cruised on these boats! The area below the dinette table is approximately 3'x3.5' and has a hatch to access it the size of a phone book. The hatch between the refer cabinet and the berth is almost as large and has an equally inadequate hatch door.
I was visualizing myself on my knees, with my short little arms reaching into one of these little caves. Pots and pans, etc, 18" away from my furthest reach. Come on guys! You can do better. Great storage potential, no access.
The reworking of the aft dinette seat to make a wider center aisle also gurantees that 4 people could never sit at the dinette table for dinner. The aft seat is now a one person seat.
The approximately 50% increase in price from 2006 was a shock but it just raises the value of my boat on the used market.
What happened to your C-Dory since last year?
_________________ Roger
Once a C-Brat, always a C-Brat
Dreamer- Sold 25 Feb. 2013 |
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TyBoo
Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 5313 City/Region: Warrenton
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1996
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruise Ship
Vessel Name: TyBoo
Photos: TyBoo
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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The thing that jumped out at me was the change in the color stripe. It is now wider at the front and wraps all the way around the point of the bow. It used to stop on either side a ways before the point. Now I won't be able to tell a C-Dory from a Sea Sport coming towards me a mile away. _________________ TyBoo Mike
Sold: 1996 25' Cruise Ship
Sold: 1987 22' Cruiser |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
Photos: SeaDNA
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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I also liked the improved fit and finish of the cat. Joyce was not happy with the dinette either. In particular, she felt that now the table was too far away - e.g. if you're seated with your back against the cushion, it's quite a reach to the table. _________________ Roger on Meant to be |
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20dauntless
Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 879 City/Region: Mercer Island and Decatur Island
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Retriever and Nordic Tug 37
Photos: Retriever
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone have pictures of the changes to upload to the SBS album? That would be great for those of us who couldn't make it. |
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B~C
Joined: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 2861 City/Region: Bend
State or Province: OR
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Blue~C
Photos: Blue~C
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Roger, the table dimensions may have something to do with the average shirt size of Brats _________________ Ken
1999 22' boaterhome |
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localboy
Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 4656 City/Region: Lake Stevens via Honolulu
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 25 Cruiser
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
Photos: 'AU KAI
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Not C-Dory related, but I was very impressed with the Ranger Tug R25. A lot of boat in a 'small" package and much better flow than the Nordic Tug 26' IMO. Now to just find that $140,000+.
I was dissapointed there were no 25' Cruisers to walk through, but none of the dealers had one so... That said, I did check out the 22' Cruiser, the Venture 26 and the Tomcat in detail & at my leisure. Both the Venture and TC were nice, but for the extra $$ they cost, the 25' will be perfect for us. Hopefully, we'll have one sometime in 2009. _________________ "We can go over there...behind the 'little one'....."
Wife to her husband pointing @ us...from the bow of their 50-footer; Prideaux Haven 2013 |
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Yellowstone
Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 475 City/Region: White Sulphur Springs
State or Province: MT
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Vessel Name: Farwest II
Photos: Farwest III
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:24 am Post subject: |
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My comments pertain to the 22' cruiser. Improvements in the new boats IMO are (1) the larger steps for boarding - the old smaller steps were too easy to miss when boarding (2) the glass door - the older models with plywood or starboard tend to warp and rattle - will be harder to create privacy, however. (3) the self draining and flat floor - no need for floor boards (4) the aft bilge pump is located where the water goes - having the bilge pump at the bulkhead on the side never made much sense.
John _________________ hopelessly addicted C-Dory user |
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Yellowstone
Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 475 City/Region: White Sulphur Springs
State or Province: MT
C-Dory Year: 1999
C-Dory Model: 22 Classic
Vessel Name: Farwest II
Photos: Farwest III
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Whether this is an improvement. viz., removing the foam in the bow section and putting in access hatches, has to be weighed against safety issues. I was told that the regulations do not require flotation on a boat over 20'. With the foam in place, the boat would not sink IMO. Without it, (say the forward section below water was holed) I don't know. Obviously, with the foam removed or not installed, extra storage space would be gained over the older model, and it would allow for real inspection for leaks coming in from the anchor locker or improperly installed brass stems. I have often wondered about small amounts of water getting in and then freezing when stored in cold country like Montana. Whether freezing and thawing would damage the hull. It would be good to read the opinions of other C-Dory owners about this very topic.
Got into a conversation with Ben Toland at the Larkspur about flotation (and since he has forgotten more about the C-Dory construction than I will ever know) I was interested to learn from him that he or perhaps no on else has deliberately tried to sink a C-Dory - how the boat would float filled with water. Hard to get volunteers to do that. I did relate a story to him about forgetting to put the plug in on my C-Dory on Fort Peck Lake before I launched it. Friend with me thought I had & I thought he had. Anyway, we tied the boat to the dock and drove away to park the pickup and trailer. The dock wasn't very busy and upon returning, a fellow was standing there looking at my boat as asked if I had a hole in it. I thought he was being sarcastic, but when I looked down, sure enough the cockpit had water in it. But it didn't go over the door sill. We didn't hurry on back to the boat after launching. So I installed the missing plug from inside and turned on the bilge pump which took care of it. My assumption at the time was that the boat wasn't going to sink anymore because the flotation in the floor and the gas tanks had equalized everything. But there must be someone in C-Dory land who could do some calculations to either verify or reject my assumption. John |
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rogerbum
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 5922 City/Region: Kenmore
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2008
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Meant to be
Photos: SeaDNA
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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No - when a 22 is filled with water only the bow stays above water. As I recall about 3-5' stays above water and the boat "turtles" - e.g. the cabin goes under. So, the foam in the bow does keep the boat afloat, but the engines are under water, your electronics are gone and you'd wind up holding onto the bow rail if you decide to stay with the boat. So to my mind, a dinghy + good insurance is far more useful than the flotation foam in the bow. |
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drjohn71a
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 1820 City/Region: Wichita
State or Province: KS
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Tom-a-Hawk
Photos: Tom-a-Hawk
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone have any pictures of the changes on the new TomCat 255's ??
I'd like to see the headliner, dinette, and cabinet changes.
Thanks, John |
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dotnmarty
Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 4196 City/Region: Sammamish
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 1993
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: LIZZIE II
Photos: Lizzie
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: |
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I thought I was climbing onto a 25 footer, but I guess it was a Venture 26! I liked the fit and finish, but was disappointed that the "lazarettes" did not have the full waterproof covers of the earlier C-Dorys. It's always good to see the Switlik life rafts, made in Trenton, NJ. This proud company made parachutes during WWII and saved many lives. _________________ MartyP
"...we're all in the same boat..." |
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matt_unique
Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Posts: 1881 City/Region: Boston
State or Province: MA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 255 Tomcat
Vessel Name: Napoleon
Photos: Napoleon
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: New Cat |
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drjohn71a wrote: | Does anyone have any pictures of the changes on the new TomCat 255's ??
I'd like to see the headliner, dinette, and cabinet changes.
Thanks, John |
Me too...
I'm personally not a fan of vinyl or carpet on the walls such as with the Venture series. I'm sure it makes business sense to appeal to a wider audience of boaters accustomed to this finish. I think it's important to keep models following the original, salty finish. _________________ Captain Matt
Former owner of Napoleon (Tomcat) Hull #65 w/Counter Rotating Suzuki 150's. |
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Matt Gurnsey Dealer
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Posts: 1532 City/Region: Port Orchard
State or Province: WA
Photos: Kitsap Marina
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Matt- The vinyl should eliminate some condensation issues, as it does have a foam backing. Plus I think when the boat gets abover $100K the buyer expects a little more.
But that's the beaty of having the Venture series and the Classic, we can better satisfy the desires of a wider range of buyers. _________________ Matt Gurnsey
Kitsap Marina
www.kitsapmarina.com
360-895-2193
(888) 293-7991 |
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Capital Sea
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 425 City/Region: Olympia
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2007
C-Dory Model: 22 Cruiser
Vessel Name: Capital Sea
Photos: Capital Sea
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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The best thing I found at the boat show was a three cup, cup holder with a pump up suction mount. A nice design and will stay where you put it on gelcoat or glass, inside or outside. No holes to drill. I suggested to the C-Dory sales guys that they should buy one and put it in one of the show boats. Blank stare.
Anyway, I am sure glad I never cut those holes for recessed cup holders.
Regarding storage: Can someone tell me if foam was placed forward of bow cut away where the porta toilet goes in 07?
I am thinking of cutting out for a large water tight hatch and finding a place for downriggers, spare prop (with padding) when not in use. My intent would be to install the hatch on the face facing aft.
I would sure hate to cut that hole only to find foam in the way. _________________ Capn Steve & 1st Mate Kath
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Alyssa Jean
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 2375 City/Region: Guemes Is.(Anacortes)
State or Province: WA
C-Dory Year: 2005
C-Dory Model: 16 Angler
Vessel Name: Alyssa Jean
Photos: Anna Leigh and Alyssa Jean
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know when they made the switch, but the water tank used to be up in the bow. I think it was on the port side of center on the 22's. On my 2005 25 it is dead center just behind the bulkhead you are talking about cutting into. I put a large hatch there so I can see the tank level. _________________ David and Kate
Alyssa Jean 16 Angler
Anna Leigh 22 Cruiser Sold 2005
Anna Leigh 25 Cruiser Sold 2014
K7KJR C-Brats #51 |
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